Japanese Tsunami - Page 34

Platapus · 03-28-11, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Coal (world ave) 161 deaths per TWh
Coal (USA) 15 deaths per TWh
Oil 36 deaths per TWh
Natural Gas 4 deaths per TWh
Biofuel 12 deaths per TWh
Solar 0.44 deaths per TWh
Wind 0.15 deaths per TWh
Hydro (europe) 0.10 deaths per TWh
Hydro (world) 1.4 deaths per TWh
Nuclear 0.04 deaths per TWh

Where did you get those numbers? I always suspected such things, but would love to have a citation.

Torplexed · 03-28-11, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Where did you get those numbers? I always suspected such things, but would love to have a citation.

Here's an article that might help. You do get the feeling that we're more comfortable with the devil we know in the case of coal.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ear-power.html

03-28-11, 08:55 PM

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What is your understanding of radiation health physics?

It makes you drunk.
headless chickens and intoxicated sea water.

tater · 03-29-11, 06:54 PM

The 3 guys who stood in the incredibly radioactive water for 2 hours?

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/28_33.html

All just fine.

LOL:

Reality check on nuclear hysteria: Japan is looking at over 20,000 people dead from the Tsunami. The dead/missing number I keep seeing is 28,000. Their infrastructure is hosed, so even those with homes might not be able to heat them. Meanwhile, really bad nuclear disasters have killed... no one. They have acutely injured? I think a few guys were injured in the initial explosions. Acute rad injury? None. Will any have a meaningful dose by the end? Likely. Fatal in any short timespans like decades? Unlikely. Even if all the guys working there died it would be noise compared to the rest of the quake/tsunami deaths.

Is it OK to be concerned? Of course. Hysterical? Nope. Remember that all the deaths that come for power production using a more dangerous source are on the hands of the "greens" and other kooks who will respond irrationally to this. Fission isn't perfect, but it's a damn reasonable choice until we have something better.

Gargamel · 04-02-11, 12:06 PM

Cracks found in the reactor:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110402/...us_japan_quake

And survivors angry at Nuclear focus of disaster relief:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Gargamel · 04-02-11, 01:23 PM

Dog rescued at sea 3 weeks after....

Ahhhhhhhhh......

Catfish · 04-02-11, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Here's an article that might help. You do get the feeling that we're more comfortable with the devil we know in the case of coal.

This is .. interesting. Nuclear victims Tchernobyl alone are - as it has just been published - (again!), 220,000 injured directly related to the Tchernobyl "accident". There were 356,000, but the rest has meanwhile died.
By all means this is a bit more than 9,000, which would be bad enough.
Or is this table from 1986 ?

Greetings,
Catfish

tater · 04-02-11, 02:19 PM

That is all deaths since 1986. No real source puts the deaths at anything like the number you quote. Not by orders of magnitude.

BTW, even if you used your numbers, nuclear would still be grossly safer than coal.

Gargamel · 04-02-11, 03:21 PM

Hey! take it to the spinoff thread!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181941

CCIP · 04-04-11, 10:19 AM

And a happy ending to the rescued dog's story - her owner is safe, recognized the dog on the news and was reunited with the pet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12957838

Jimbuna · 04-04-11, 02:54 PM

Nice one

03-29-11, 06:54 PM	#499
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The 3 guys who stood in the incredibly radioactive water for 2 hours? http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/28_33.html All just fine. LOL: Reality check on nuclear hysteria: Japan is looking at over 20,000 people dead from the Tsunami. The dead/missing number I keep seeing is 28,000. Their infrastructure is hosed, so even those with homes might not be able to heat them. Meanwhile, really bad nuclear disasters have killed... no one. They have acutely injured? I think a few guys were injured in the initial explosions. Acute rad injury? None. Will any have a meaningful dose by the end? Likely. Fatal in any short timespans like decades? Unlikely. Even if all the guys working there died it would be noise compared to the rest of the quake/tsunami deaths. Is it OK to be concerned? Of course. Hysterical? Nope. Remember that all the deaths that come for power production using a more dangerous source are on the hands of the "greens" and other kooks who will respond irrationally to this. Fission isn't perfect, but it's a damn reasonable choice until we have something better. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine Last edited by tater; 03-29-11 at 07:42 PM.

04-02-11, 12:06 PM	#500
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Cracks found in the reactor: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110402/...us_japan_quake And survivors angry at Nuclear focus of disaster relief: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

04-02-11, 01:23 PM	#501
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Dog rescued at sea 3 weeks after.... Ahhhhhhhhh...... __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

04-02-11, 02:19 PM	#503
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	That is all deaths since 1986. No real source puts the deaths at anything like the number you quote. Not by orders of magnitude. BTW, even if you used your numbers, nuclear would still be grossly safer than coal. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

04-02-11, 03:21 PM	#504
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Hey! take it to the spinoff thread! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181941 __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

04-04-11, 10:19 AM	#505
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	And a happy ending to the rescued dog's story - her owner is safe, recognized the dog on the news and was reunited with the pet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12957838 __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-04-11, 02:54 PM	#506
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,357 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Nice one __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!