[REL] Open Horizons II

[Husksubsky]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

No, problem didn't disappear...CTD will occur under certain circumstances, like when you enter the museum after campaign start in Kiel, or if you try to start new campaign after extensive visit to the museum...

Roger that..

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

If we could have the new turrets where the indicator loops were then there would be no travelling on the surface during the day or close to shore at night near these ports . Just something else to be aware of

This is the plan. Pillboxes and coastal bunkers should surround the whole perimeter of Europe (no more patrolling coastal waters on surface), with higher density around ports where they should be equipped with searchlights and better visual sensors.

As for magnetic loops, even though each sensor available in game has its shortcomings I still hope that we can find a proper way to emulate them. Relying only on visual sensors would make their detection too weak though (=no detection when submerged, reduced detection with fog, at night/dusk and on rough seas)

Originally Posted by sober

What happens if you make them a random unit ? Do they work underwater ?

Never tried to place coastal guns underwater
Making them random shouldn't be needed. As long as we give them a wide assortment of sensors and we conceal them within the landscape, the player would never know which kind of defenses he is facing. Also consider that for our watch crew to detect them we should surface the boat, which is exactly what we should avoid anyway, knowing that there is an high probability of encountering enemy lookouts near ports.

Originally Posted by sober

http://indicatorloops.com/

Cool website. I remember having visited it the first time you posted its link in another thread. I would stick to the locations reported by it, if ever we manage to model those loops

Originally Posted by sober

OT If you look at google earth , click on 1943 on the clock timeline on the top bar and go to Kiel .

Good one! Pity that it doesn't disclose the position of the Graf Zeppelin (I think it wasn't any longer in Kiel by 1943)

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by gap

if ever we manage to model those loops

I'd have to make a patch to model those.

I'm thinking along the lines of:
if coastal defense has a hydrophone then add code that checks to see if contact being checked by hydrophone sensor of coastal defense is a type of sub. If so then get a random number. If random number <= detection % defined in patch file (new variable) then coastal defense detected sub. This way even if they don't see it visually or the sub is underwater it still has a chance to detect it.

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I'd have to make a patch to model those.

I'm thinking along the lines of:
if coastal defense has a hydrophone then add code that checks to see if contact being checked by hydrophone sensor of coastal defense is a type of sub. If so then get a random number. If random number <= detection % defined in patch file (new variable) then coastal defense detected sub. This way even if they don't see it visually or the sub is underwater it still has a chance to detect it.

That would kill 10 birds with 1 stone .

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

What about some sort of sensor on sub nets . Just trying to think outside the square , or lame idea . Not sure which .
AI subs can go underwater , what about sub nets are a type of AI submarine ?

Not lame at all. OH's subnets are set as sea units. They have an unit_ship controller in their sim file. For them to report enemy contacts, we should give them radio and transmit antenna zones, and an unit cmdr controller. Having an unit cmdr controller, they would become potentially detectable by radar and lookouts but, being submerged, they shouldn't be detected anyway by those sensors, unless one plays with map contacts switched on. We could even copy clone the subnet unit, set it as a non-collisionable new unit (collision model and spheres removed), and replace its model with a scaled donwn, very basic, mesh thus reducing further its detectable surface.

(nevermind my remarks above: I have just seen TDW's reply)

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I'd have to make a patch to model those.

I'm thinking along the lines...

This would definitely answer our question on which sensor(s) we should use on the "magnetic loop units"

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

if coastal defense...

If we could place coastal defenses underwater, and set their hydrophone sensor the way I have described above, we could accurately mimic the working of detection loops

[THE_MASK]

TDW says that the CDs would have a chance to detect subs underwater . Why bother putting the CDs underwater .
Chance to be detected would be awesome . I would really hate to start a new campaign and just avoid an area because I was spotted by a coastal defence in the last campaign .

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

TDW says that the CDs would have a chance to detect subs underwater . Why bother putting the CDs underwater .
Chance to be detected would be awesome . I would really hate to start a new campaign and just avoid an area because I was spotted by a coastal defence in the last campaign .

Provided that TDW's patch can take sensitivity sectors into account, the reason would be having CD's to detect us not within a circular radius but rather on an almost straight line. Well, the maximum detection area would actually be composed by two opposite cones with their vertices centered on loop unit's position; detection outside them would still be possible, but it would require a longer "exposure" (this is how sensor's sensitivity works).

If you look at the following picture (taken from the website you have pointed), you will surely understand what I am aiming at:



Shouldn't my idea by applicable, loop units on land and circular detection ranges are still a good compromise, indeed

[THE_MASK]

Has anyone ever looked at the 3 files in the museum folder ?
Silent Hunter 5\data\Museum
Do they need updating ?

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by gap

Provided that TDW's patch can take sensitivity sectors into account

My patch will have nothing to do with that. That's all taken care of by the sensor itself. I will just merely intercept the signal strength reported by the sensor if it's a hydrophone and attached to a coastal defense and it's checking to see if it detected a type 300 series unit to have it report back full signal strength if the random number <= detect % defined in patch file (thus saying to game it detected a sub)

[gap]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

My patch will have nothing to do with that. That's all taken care of by the sensor itself. I will just merely intercept the signal strength reported by the sensor if it's a hydrophone and attached to a coastal defense and it's checking to see if it detected a type 300 series unit to have it report back full signal strength if the random number <= detect % defined in patch file (thus saying to game it detected a sub)

Yep, but doing that would nullify the effect of sensitivity sectors, i.e. a strong signal and a weak signal would have the same chance to be "normalized" to full strength. Isn't that?
Unfortunately with the AI sensor controller, there is no way to set multiple deaf sectors as my idea would have required, but we can still set the hydrophone/magnetic sensor to have a single, narrow, detection arc, and place in game the units equipped with it so that sensor's arc will span over harbor entrances and chokepoints. We could also set multiple sensors with different ranges, for Trevally to choose the one among them covering only the appropriate area

Tomorrow I will create a signal station model

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by gap

Yep, but doing that would nullify the effect of sensitivity sectors, i.e. a strong signal and a weak signal would have the same chance to be "normalized" to full strength. Isn't that?
Unfortunately with the AI sensor controller, there is no way to set multiple deaf sectors as my idea would have required, but we can still set the hydrophone/magnetic sensor to have a single, narrow, detection arc, and place in game the units equipped with it so that sensor's arc will span over harbor entrances and chokepoints. We could also set multiple sensors with different ranges, for Trevally to choose the one among them covering only the appropriate area

I didn't use the random % chance thing I was going to do. Instead I just gave the signal strength a boost based on max range of the sensor and contact's distance from the sensor. This allows the sensitivity sectors to be utilized for the hydrophone sensor of the coastal defense.

You can set multiple deaf sectors - that's what the sensitivity sectors are for

[THE_MASK]

Sobers chimney smoke ctd fix for OH2.4
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//dow...o=file&id=4342

[Stormfly]

Sober !

...that did it, i can run it now selecting Western Approaches using "silentotto" without CTD.

Thank You !

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by Stormfly

Sober !

...that did it, i can run it now selecting Western Approaches using "silentotto" without CTD.

Thank You !

I forgot about the chimney smoke problem when I uploaded some terrain files for OH2 . Vecko found the problem .

[Stormfly]

ohh than THX to both of You