US Politics Thread 2021-24

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Canada is about to designate Proud Boys and several other such groups as terrorist groups. This comes with a whole sack of legal and law-enforcement options by which Canadin authorities can pursue and contain these groups' finances, and activities. The Canadian prime minisier is followign demands for this move made by the Canadian parliament last month, so the Canadians seem to have a wide political basis in support of this step.

PB originally were founded by a Canadian residing in the US. The accusation is that they are neo-fascist, racist, and that Canadian intel found them to be engaged not just in words, but active planning of violence, which constantly escalated. The attack on the Capitol was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

I am betting that they don't even know the origin of the proud boys - made up as a "guy club" to get a jewish radio intern to score with chicks and drink beer. The name is a goof of a broadway show song from the stage production of Disney's Alladin called Proud of Your Boy. Mysogenistic? Possibly. Chauvinist - yep. But hardly what you'd call a terrorist group.

After all, they're just an idea, like antifa.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A military commander lacking military competence and running the military like a profit-oriented business company, is a problem. There is strategic value and necessity than cannot be expressed in money saved. That is not just a problem with Biden'S predecessorl but the Germna defenc eminsitres Guttenmberg and Leyen also sufferedf form this kind of incompetence and wishful thinkling - they tried to run the military like a business company. Did work only very, very, very bad, and made most of the bad things even worse.

In chess, gambits are an example. You seem to get a material gain - but you pay with substantial loss in options, time, positional quality. Gambits are "poisoned". Thats what makes them a gambit and not a present.

The majority of flag officers in the US are ticket-punching yes-men. They're just as worthless in providing an honest opinion to any president as they are at taking care of their troops.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

For the most part I was fine with Trump seeing past the political words, theatrics and showmanship. I didnt vote for him but even I thought he got railroaded. Buy hey that's politics, and it made the media tons of money . No doubt he was his own worst enemy and his undoing though. But what ticked my off to no end was, without any solid proof of fraud he brought discredit and doubt to the election system after he had been voted out. How he thought that was the right thing to do is beyond me. And the more I think about it, the more I think the Senate ought give him the boot.

Now for the military. I'm good with any General stepping up and giving an honest opinion to the president or to anyone. But I see no difference between a General publicly criticizing the commander in chief in front of the troops and when a president publicly criticizes the election system after he has been voted out. Its not good for the country, and breaks down good order and discipline. Last thing I want to see is the armed forces of this country divided into political factions, what he did was stupid and irresponsible.

Neither of their behavior is anything to be proud of and IMO both should be given the boot

Criticizing a process is different than criticizing a person.

I have no doubt that the election process, like most everything else involving government, is a sh!t-show.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Criticizing a process is different than criticizing a person.

I have no doubt that the election process, like most everything else involving government, is a sh!t-show.

I'll wave the B.S. flag on that first statement. In my book there is no difference. Look up the word discredit, both of their actions fit the bill. When a General publicly discredits a commander in chief it can cause people to doubt the authority intrusted to him. That's not something we can tolerate when the feces hits the fan.

As for the 'show' it's what goes on in the time between elections. Once elections are over you abide by the results and move on. Unless you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt and provide some tangible evidence. You dont bring discredit to our election process and system of government by marching on the nations capital making accusations of stolen elections, fraud, cheating.

[bstanko6]

Well hold on Rockstar!

If a general discredits the commander in Chief...

There is a solution. Ask Obama!

His first year he fired the 5 star who discredited him! Can’t remember his name off hand.

See! Dems are pros at getting what they want at any cost!

[bstanko6]

Here it is!

https://www.bbc.com/news/10395402

[Rockstar]

Well good for Obama, I'm glad it worked out for him.

[bstanko6]

Hey! Democrats are pros at silencing free speech.

[Jeff-Groves]

Sorry. I've seen all 'The Purge' Movies.
This is just another sequel.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Hey! Democrats are pros at silencing free speech.

Well you still seem pretty liberal with your speech, that must make you a democrat.

[bstanko6]

I’m speaking liberally. Which means that the Democrats haven’t gotten to me.

[Sonicfire1981]

[bstanko6]

Sonic... LOL!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Qanon? Really!


They are a joke! Like Biden being elected! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If you wanted to tell stories... I mean go ahead!

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Sonic... LOL!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Qanon? Really!


They are a joke! Like Biden being elected! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If you wanted to tell stories... I mean go ahead!

I rest my case.

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Sonic... LOL!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Qanon? Really!


They are a joke! Like Biden being elected! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If you wanted to tell stories... I mean go ahead!

This is depressing. This shows what Trump has done in his past 4 years. Denied every claim that was credible, discredited people like Fauci, and thus thousands of more lives were lost because of his recklessness. That is why we blame Trump for some of the issues we had with COVID- many people would still be alive if he had followed science and fact and had not spread misinformation. He probably would still be president if he had handled COVID better early on. He has also caused social divisions between people in America to only run deeper, he has turned Americans against one another and brainwashed millions into following him blindly. The capitol riot (or siege, whatever you want to call it) is proof of how many he brainwashed. He told them to march right up the steps of Capitol Hill and "stop the steal". There was no steal, period. He was eventually forced into telling the rioters to go home, even then there was no hint of sincerity.

I get made fun of sometimes in school for supporting the Democrats. I get called "bidofile" (because kids in school say that Joe Biden is a pedophile and so since that I am a democrat I must be a pedophile too )
Heck, these are my own friends teasing me. This is proof of him turning Americans against each other, to what feels like the point of physical violence.

I rest my case too. I don't want to start a fight with what I just said.