Japanese Tsunami

Well If they were only using the homeless and juveniles I could understand the outrage

Looking at pictures of the location it does appear there is a shortage of people who are not homeless.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Looking at pictures of the location it does appear there is a shortage of people who are not homeless.

LOL.

Very true, probably a large % of real plant workers are "homeless."

Another reason why the term is so poorly used in general. Presumably skybird's post was meant to mean bums?

[robbo180265]

They don't look like bums and Juveniles in this video

http://video.asahi.com/viewvideo.jsp...evee378318.flv

[Jimbuna]

They certainly don't

[tater]

Given the fact that reaction times from likely epicenters are measured in minutes, I wonder what could be done in the future to mitigate the loss of life?

Watching that sea-wall video leads me to believe that any sort od sea wall is impractical beyond a certain event size (do you build "50 year" seawalls, or 100, or 500, etc?).

Home construction would not have helped much, since a single-family dwelling would not likely be more than 2 stories, and there are images of large boats sitting on top of 2 story buildings from this event, so even if a home survived, the occupants would not. Still, this might mitigate lesser tsunami.

Structures that can withstand lesser wave action might well not do well in quakes... dunno the trade offs there. Road systems designed to move people—FAST—inland might be the way. Have a rule that whenever there is a quake, roads all become one-way going away from the sea, except for emergency vehicles.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by tater

Structures that can withstand lesser wave action might well not do well in quakes... dunno the trade offs there. Road systems designed to move people—FAST—inland might be the way. Have a rule that whenever there is a quake, roads all become one-way going away from the sea, except for emergency vehicles.

I believe that's how they do in the Key's and other Hurricane prone areas.





Yuck.

But the IAEA thinks there is good reason to hope.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12809832

[tater]

Yeah, they do contraflow with hurricanes all over. I was thinking perhaps an automated system of lights that directs people to immediately turn around if they are going the wrong way, then contraflow.

Also, when they rebuild, make sure there are MANY roads running parallel away from the sea.

[Skybird]

The "volunteering" firefighters from Tokyo that I mentioned some days ago, probably were not that much volunteers at all, it now seems. German media report about a dispute between the economic minister of Japan and the governor of Tokyo, the latter complained to the prime ministre of Japan about the firefighters having been forced to accept a marching order to the reactor by threatening heavy penalties on them if they don't go.

German link

Meanwhile, German Yahoo News has also reported allegations that Tepco abuses homeless people, foreign guest workers, people living on the streets even before the disaster, and even some juveniles, to work in the highly contaminated, radiating centre areas. When they have gotten a serious ammount of radiation, they get fired, without further compensation or assistance. Several nuclear physicists meanwhile said that to their assessment based on the published values, the teams at the reactors will see a lethality rate of 50% in the forseeable future, with the rest dying over a longer period of time after that.

Reports mirroring or even independently confirming the allegations raised by German ARD-correspondent Hetkämper, have started to be published in a number of news sources and private blogs throught German-tongued Europe, in Germany, Switzerland, and Austria.

Sending people on a suicide mission, is a desperate measurement in a desperate situation. Somebody has to die in order to try to get the job done - that is the brutal truth in all this. I am not sentimental about this. But still, it leaves a sad feeling inside the heart, and a foul taste in the mouth. Tepco seems to plan to not care for the people it has sentenced to death by abusing their weak social position. And compared to Japan's social reality, even the US is a socialistic paradise.

Wow fire fighters are forced to fight fires and the earlier throwaway workers cooling reactors is unrelated to the attempts to cool the reactors.
Meanwhile an online news agregating service has repeated a news article and a selection of other news sources and individuals have repeated the news article or come up with ones of their own which may or may not be related to things which may or not be related and may or may not be true

[tater]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...or-humans.html

Radiation exposure levels are measured in millisieverts. Exposure totaling 100 millisieverts over a year is the lowest level at which any increase in cancer is evident, according to the World Nuclear Association in London. The cumulative maximum level for nuclear workers was increased to 250 millisieverts from 100 millisieverts by Japan’s health ministry on March 15.

Career Ending

“Once they have reached that limit, they can’t go in the plant anymore,” said John Price, a Melbourne-based consultant on industrial accidents and former safety policy staffer at the U.K.’s National Nuclear Corp. “You shouldn’t be doing that sort of work ever again,” Price said by phone yesterday.

One plant worker was exposed to 106.3 millisieverts, Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said in a website posting today.

“A worker receiving a dose of 100 millisieverts from these emergency operations will have a future risk of a serious cancer from this dose of less than 1 percent,” said Richard Wakeford, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Manchester’s Dalton Nuclear Institute in the U.K. That compares with a risk of dying from cancer in the absence of this radiation exposure of about 20 to 25 percent, Wakeford said in an e-mail today.

This is remarkably low given some of the numbers the press have been churning out. According to many other reports, it seems like workers might have gotten this kind of dose in a shift, the way they were talking about workers making "existential decisions."

I'm not belittling their efforts, quite the contrary, but any reporters who majored in, say, journalism, and didn't take math, physics, biology, etc, should be edited by someone who has at least a couple clues to rub together (many reports use a dose RATE number instead of a rate as if they were the same, etc—you can be exposed to a HUGE dose rate, for a fraction of a second, for example, and get a minimal dose (this can happen in particle accelerators), press goons just glazed over reading that ).

[robbo180265]

First photo's of the workers at Fukushima.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wer-plant.html

Their bravery is amazing.

[Jimbuna]

Extremely brave...such is their culture.

Man when it rains it pours, the earthquake was bad enough without all the addition mess they're having to go through now.

I just hope they get the plants back under control, God knows we don't need another Chernobyl for the rest of human history.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

Man when it rains it pours, the earthquake was bad enough without all the addition mess they're having to go through now.

I just hope they get the plants back under control, God knows we don't need another Chernobyl for the rest of human history.

Idoubt...and pray that will happen.

They are a very 'resilient' nation/people.

[tater]

Had not seen this one. Wow.