Silent Hunter 5 Announced? - Page 31

Enigma · 02-15-09, 05:37 PM

As much as I love the subs, I'd like to see the developers of Silent Hunter to take on WWII surface ships. I'd like to stand on the bridge of a destroyer and aim my guns on land. I'd like to support landing craft fir the Invasion. I'd like to hunt U-boats and be on the other end of a depth charging for a change

Torplexed · 02-15-09, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

As much as I love the subs, I'd like to see the developers of Silent Hunter to take on WWII surface ships. I'd like to stand on the bridge of a destroyer and aim my guns on land. I'd like to support landing craft fir the Invasion. I'd like to hunt U-boats and be on the other end of a depth charging for a change

In other words...Destroyer Command 2. Might also allow for multiplay where we can actaully battle each other instead of these cooperative mulitplayer battles we have now.

John Channing · 02-16-09, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

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The tradition continues!

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XLjedi · 02-16-09, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by magicsub2

yeah, the campaign should have a few playable italian submarines, imagine silent hunter like il2, 300 playable subs!

the subs on my wishlist:
all german, american and other nations during world war 1 subs,
all nations world war 2 subs
and as an easter egg, the turtle and some high tech russian akula and typhoon subs!

also needs secret submarine missions: carrying uranium, blowing up dock facillitys, calling in airraids, using experimental technology like the v2 and artillery rockets, dropping of spies and commandos, (that you get to play as!)

also PROPER SCENERY, i mean WTF was UBI thinking when they released a game with the coastline of sh3??? all jagged! i want cliffs! buildings! destroyable scenery (for airraids)

i hope it has these thinga

Land is irrelevent in a submarine sim. Perhaps they'll included that in "Destroyer Command II - USCG on Patrol"

...and you forgot the Nautilus easter egg. I mean the JV version, not the US nuke.

tater · 02-16-09, 12:14 PM

I'm more concerned with things like a better paradigm for the player as the skipper. I want the plotter to plot given only the data I give him from the periscope, or that he could reasonably (and realistically) get from sonar/radar/etc.

Not updated in real time, moving on the map by magic. I want an observation, and mark on the map. Another piece of data, then a mark on the map, and a line drawn between them.

Also, I'd like to see zig-zag behavior as part of the AI. Not "constant helming" when the sub is detected, real zig zags. There should be a text file with descriptions of different available patterns (RL ZZs were complex, not /\/\/\/\/, and then they get applied to waypoint groups as needed.

Sailor Steve · 02-16-09, 05:02 PM

I've been rooting for something like that all along - sonar lines only move when the soundman calls out the new position, only the ships you identify and pinpoint end up on the map etc.

I would also like to see is the attack map be oriented toward the bow of the boat, not true north. The plotting crew will be drawing what you tell them relative to you, not the outside world. Also the boat should always stay at the center of the attack map - not move across it.

tater · 02-16-09, 05:58 PM

With realistic plotting (as I outlined above) there would be no attack map.

Nothing on any map would move (animated) at all.

Your sub would be periodically updated, but would not "move" along the map, you'd hit "update" and you'd see the animated hand of the plotter avatar draw in the sub, or perhaps just move the range/bearing tool over the current position.

There would be a dot (range/bearing tool) where you are NOW ("now" defined as when you select the map, or "ask to update map"). There would be lines behind you (which you'd have in you log, forever). Not a curvy line, either. Straight line plots from the time you turned.

No magical GPS system.

I'd also build-in a more realistic navigation system. No, I'm not going to shoot positions with a sextant, I simply don't have the time for that. What I would like, though, is for my position on the world map to be somewhat uncertain. A daily exercise would be for my junior officers to calculate where we were. Have the AI do it, and the results might have an error bar that fluctuates with crew skill. If I'm in a storm for days, I should be VERY careful about steering near land.

CaptHawkeye · 02-16-09, 11:28 PM

The issue is how do you make your game *not* just turn into a giant group of spreadsheets? Realistic navigation might be fun but that's something to be left up to the options menu of course. I generally reference B-17 2's navigation game play which was simple and consequential at the same time. The Mighty Eighth did a lot of things I frankly wish more sims would do. Things that are inconceivable to fanhards. Ya know, a streamlined interface, a wide list of adjustable realism settings, an intelligent use of crew training and station management to keep the player active even in downtime etc etc.

Arclight · 02-17-09, 08:46 AM

"I am prepared to go anywhere, provided it be forward"
D. Livingstone

TinCanWolf · 02-25-09, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptHawkeye

The issue is how do you make your game *not* just turn into a giant group of spreadsheets? Realistic navigation might be fun but that's something to be left up to the options menu of course. I generally reference B-17 2's navigation game play which was simple and consequential at the same time. The Mighty Eighth did a lot of things I frankly wish more sims would do. Things that are inconceivable to fanhards. Ya know, a streamlined interface, a wide list of adjustable realism settings, an intelligent use of crew training and station management to keep the player active even in downtime etc etc.

Oh man, B-17 was brutal at times. When you'd get near the target and had to go back around because you couldn't see the target. That was agonizing.

joegrundman · 02-25-09, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I'd also build-in a more realistic navigation system. No, I'm not going to shoot positions with a sextant, I simply don't have the time for that.

i think a fully developed navigation system would be fine, including sextant if you wanted to do it yourself, but getting a fix should also be obtainable by asking the Nav officer and the fix would vary in accuracy depending on weather and perhaps navigator experience.

If it's overcast for a week, you can expect to become lost

and obviously it should be a checkable option in the realism section. GPS fine for those who need it

A Very Super Market · 02-25-09, 09:15 PM

That would actually be pretty awesome, though I never understood the sextant. Or math, for that matter.

Max2147 · 02-25-09, 09:20 PM

Scaleable realism is a must for any sim. I think SH4 actually did a pretty decent job of that. For every fanatic who wants to line up everything perfectly on his TDC and know only what the actual skipper on a WWII sub would know, there are a bunch of amateurs like me who would miss every shot and stop playing the game if it weren't for our color changing arrows.

skookum · 02-26-09, 12:40 AM

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I would also like to see is the attack map be oriented toward the bow of the boat, not true north. The plotting crew will be drawing what you tell them relative to you, not the outside world. Also the boat should always stay at the center of the attack map - not move across it.

All maps and plotting in RL is usually done north up, JSYK.

I'm with Tater, no moving contacts, only Updated fixes on a map. I'd like to be able to make notes, such as time and estimated speed on the map too. But most of all, it would be nice to see RL navaids like lighthouses and some major topographical features noted accurately so one can navigate visually. Having a workng rendition of a sight compass would make the game for me, though in RL, I think they used the periscope. I think they should increase the resolution and accuracy of the textures on the compasses modelled in the game.

Kapitan_Phillips · 02-26-09, 01:09 AM

I dont care when SH5 comes out.

The transition between SH3 and SH4 blew my mind. I dread to think what SH4 to SH5 could blow.

Wait what?

02-15-09, 05:37 PM	#451
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	As much as I love the subs, I'd like to see the developers of Silent Hunter to take on WWII surface ships. I'd like to stand on the bridge of a destroyer and aim my guns on land. I'd like to support landing craft fir the Invasion. I'd like to hunt U-boats and be on the other end of a depth charging for a change __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

02-16-09, 05:02 PM	#456
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I've been rooting for something like that all along - sonar lines only move when the soundman calls out the new position, only the ships you identify and pinpoint end up on the map etc. I would also like to see is the attack map be oriented toward the bow of the boat, not true north. The plotting crew will be drawing what you tell them relative to you, not the outside world. Also the boat should always stay at the center of the attack map - not move across it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-17-09, 08:46 AM	#459
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	"I am prepared to go anywhere, provided it be forward" D. Livingstone __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

02-25-09, 09:15 PM	#462
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That would actually be pretty awesome, though I never understood the sextant. Or math, for that matter. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

02-26-09, 01:09 AM	#465
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	I dont care when SH5 comes out. The transition between SH3 and SH4 blew my mind. I dread to think what SH4 to SH5 could blow. Wait what? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

02-16-09, 12:14 PM	#455
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm more concerned with things like a better paradigm for the player as the skipper. I want the plotter to plot given only the data I give him from the periscope, or that he could reasonably (and realistically) get from sonar/radar/etc. Not updated in real time, moving on the map by magic. I want an observation, and mark on the map. Another piece of data, then a mark on the map, and a line drawn between them. Also, I'd like to see zig-zag behavior as part of the AI. Not "constant helming" when the sub is detected, real zig zags. There should be a text file with descriptions of different available patterns (RL ZZs were complex, not /\/\/\/\/, and then they get applied to waypoint groups as needed.

02-16-09, 05:58 PM	#457
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	With realistic plotting (as I outlined above) there would be no attack map. Nothing on any map would move (animated) at all. Your sub would be periodically updated, but would not "move" along the map, you'd hit "update" and you'd see the animated hand of the plotter avatar draw in the sub, or perhaps just move the range/bearing tool over the current position. There would be a dot (range/bearing tool) where you are NOW ("now" defined as when you select the map, or "ask to update map"). There would be lines behind you (which you'd have in you log, forever). Not a curvy line, either. Straight line plots from the time you turned. No magical GPS system. I'd also build-in a more realistic navigation system. No, I'm not going to shoot positions with a sextant, I simply don't have the time for that. What I would like, though, is for my position on the world map to be somewhat uncertain. A daily exercise would be for my junior officers to calculate where we were. Have the AI do it, and the results might have an error bar that fluctuates with crew skill. If I'm in a storm for days, I should be VERY careful about steering near land.

02-16-09, 11:28 PM	#458
CaptHawkeye Weps Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 354 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The issue is how do you make your game not just turn into a giant group of spreadsheets? Realistic navigation might be fun but that's something to be left up to the options menu of course. I generally reference B-17 2's navigation game play which was simple and consequential at the same time. The Mighty Eighth did a lot of things I frankly wish more sims would do. Things that are inconceivable to fanhards. Ya know, a streamlined interface, a wide list of adjustable realism settings, an intelligent use of crew training and station management to keep the player active even in downtime etc etc.

02-25-09, 09:20 PM	#463
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Scaleable realism is a must for any sim. I think SH4 actually did a pretty decent job of that. For every fanatic who wants to line up everything perfectly on his TDC and know only what the actual skipper on a WWII sub would know, there are a bunch of amateurs like me who would miss every shot and stop playing the game if it weren't for our color changing arrows.