UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34181122

I fail to see how this was as the Tory scum have called it "self defense" as if. Once again another PM itching for a war gives the go ahead to kill a couple of prats plotted to attack the Queen! Where is your evidence Toff Boy? Once again another Bastard PM thinks he can dismiss Parliament's vote not to bomb Syria and sod the public. Of course this country's gutter press backed this Bastard to the hilt like a bunch of backside kissers they are.

Listen up Toff Boy what gives you the right to run rush shot over the voter?

A bit like this guy I suppose some misguided folk might say.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by STEED

Listen up Toff Boy what gives you the right to run rush shot over the voter?

Did you mean "roughshod"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/roughshod

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34181122

I fail to see how this was as the Tory scum have called it "self defense" as if. Once again another PM itching for a war gives the go ahead to kill a couple of prats plotted to attack the Queen! Where is your evidence Toff Boy? Once again another Bastard PM thinks he can dismiss Parliament's vote not to bomb Syria and sod the public. Of course this country's gutter press backed this Bastard to the hilt like a bunch of backside kissers they are.

Listen up Toff Boy what gives you the right to run rush shot over the voter?

He's using the same scaremongering rhetoric used by Tony Blair and probably being advised by the same secret service idiots as well.

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ You do not need to know.

There are people who know, in the secret services of your country, and they will inform politicians as they see fit.

You know you can only live like you do, because tough men stand watch, and do the inevitable.
Or so the alpha monkey chiefs sell it, to the public.

Nuts, they're not alpha monkeys they're just monkeys, weapons of mass destruction anyone.

[Oberon]

It's a Catch-22 for me, because obviously there are going to be extremists who will try to attack the UK, it's only a matter of time before some nutjob with an AK goes for a stroll down Oxford street or somewhere similar.
Now, how much of this is stopped by our security services is open to interpretation, they tell us that they have stopped plenty but we only have their word for it, and we've seen before that they are sometimes economic with the truth.
The idea of droning Daesh-bags doesn't bother me, it's the least they deserve, but doing this without authorisation from Parliament is another troublesome area. It could have been that it was a time sensitive situation and the window of opportunity to hit these individuals meant that to call back Parliament and debate it would mean that they would get away.
Also, we only have the say of the same secretive agencies that these men were Daesh operatives, and assigning this title after the action is not a particularly comfortable thing for me. It would be only too easy to go down the road of arresting/killing undesirable elements whilst claiming that they had links to Daesh after they are dead.
It's somewhat of a moral maze, in fact I wouldn't be surprised to hear Michael Buerk talking with his guests about it whenever that particular Radio Four show is back on. However, ultimately I think we are going to have to extend our air campaign to Syria in order to support US and coalition operations there. Only with drones though, it would be too risky to send manned fighters into Syrian airspace.
That being said though...I don't think airstrikes alone are going to win this war, and this is our biggest problem fighting Daesh...working out how to end them.

[STEED]

Looking at this situation from a different point all this is doing is running up our national debt and while the Tories are in power those at the bottom of the ladder will pay the price. The UK is in no position to stand on the world stage playing world police.

Sorry about the rant guys but when your stuck on waiting lists that drag on and on really gets me mad at Toff Boy who rather spends money on bombs than the NHS, that is to say where I am sitting.

[BossMark]

After the successful drone strike on two ISIS members, David Cameron has promised to wipe out more of Britain's traitors in the next few days.

He's currently trying to decide who to target first out of the BBC, the Guardian, and the Labour party.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

Looking at this situation from a different point all this is doing is running up our national debt and while the Tories are in power those at the bottom of the ladder will pay the price. The UK is in no position to stand on the world stage playing world police.

Sorry about the rant guys but when your stuck on waiting lists that drag on and on really gets me mad at Toff Boy who rather spends money on bombs than the NHS, that is to say where I am sitting.

Nobody around to stop him....that's the problem for the foreseeable future.

[MGR1]

It's all a bit depressing isn't? The SNP dominate Scotland whilst the Tories do so in England and Wales. As for Northern Ireland, wellll.... If one party becomes dominant there, then it could be back to "The Troubles"!

Two one party states within the same country, just with different groups in charge.

What is the best way to fix the UK, assuming we want to try and keep it together?

Or should we all go our own separate ways? There have been two polls suggesting a lead for the "YES" camp from, I think, TNS and Ipsos Mori.

Currently, the SNP are on 60% or so for next years Holyrood elections, whilst SLAB is in the 20% region and the SCons are on about 12% or so.

Apologies for the constant obsession with the constitution, but that's what politics this side of the border revolves around. It's more important than the refugee crisis, even! Or indeed, the SNP's record in government.

Mike.

[Oberon]

Norn Iron is in a bit of a pickle at the moment, we could be seeing the potential for a slide back to the Troubles if we're not careful.

[Jimbuna]

Yes, things are rather worrying atm

[MGR1]

It's feasible, considering the line the UUP and DUP have taken. Besides, the Tories appear to be very reluctant to go for direct rule again at the moment. If they do, I think they have to inform Dublin of the decision because of the Good Friday Agreement.

It'll be very, very interesting to see what happens in NI if the EU Ref results in a "Leave" vote. It could make things even more complicated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33171204

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rthern-ireland

Mike.

[MGR1]

Ooops-a-daisy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34222801

In the meantime, the House of Commons has rejected the "Assisted Dying Bill" by 330 against with 118 in favour:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34208624

Up in Holyrood, the MSP's have been debating the ramifications of Abortion Law being devolved to the Scottish Parliament:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34211153

In Northern Ireland, it looks as if the Stormont Assembly might be close to collapse:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34217875

Mike.

[Oberon]

Devolving the abortion law doesn't make that much sense...I fear we might be heading into American territory with different laws for different regions. That could get confusing fast. Shame about the right to die law being rejected, but not entirely surprising. Campaigning will just have to continue and people who can will have to head off to countries that permit it. At least they've softened the laws on prosecuting the relatives of those who do a little, still all a bit daft though.

Nice gaff by Dave.

And very worrying times in Norn Iron, at least Dave is doing the right thing there, staying back and letting them try to work it out, rather than jumping in and forcing something on them. Still, it's not the first time things have hit a rocky road, I mean you've got centuries of history to deal with here, centuries of violence, they've done bloody well to keep things going this far.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Devolving the abortion law doesn't make that much sense...I fear we might be heading into American territory with different laws for different regions.

Already there, I'm afraid - abortion law is one of the powers that Stormont has in it's repertoire, though that's due to the special religious circumstances in the Province. Basically, apart from a medical emergency, women from Northern Ireland who want to have an abortion have to come to the mainland. The Channel Islands also have tighter restrictions on the time when an abortion can be carried out, 12 weeks rather than the 24 on the mainland.

Women's Lib is pretty strong within Scottish political circles, the three main parties are led by women, after all, but a number of the SNP's MSP's are devout Christians and are Pro-Life. Although Sturgeon said she had no intention of changing the law, she cannot guarantee that a future Scottish Government (of any party) would not make changes, which is the crux of SLAB's opposition to devolving this particular piece of legislation.

Mike.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Already there, I'm afraid - abortion law is one of the powers that Stormont has in it's repertoire, though that's due to the special religious circumstances in the Province. Basically, apart from a medical emergency, women from Northern Ireland who want to have an abortion have to come to the mainland. The Channel Islands also have tighter restrictions on the time when an abortion can be carried out, 12 weeks rather than the 24 on the mainland.

Women's Lib is pretty strong within Scottish political circles, the three main parties are led by women, after all, but a number of the SNP's MSP's are devout Christians and are Pro-Life. Although Sturgeon said she had no intention of changing the law, she cannot guarantee that a future Scottish Government (of any party) would not make changes, which is the crux of SLAB's opposition to devolving this particular piece of legislation.

Mike.

Ah, religion, yes, the true divider of the union. If there's one thing guaranteed to cause an uproar it's trying to impose English religious feelings on Scotland or Norn Iron. Especially with devout Christians in the political circles. Some things never change.
Still, hopefully we'll refrain from going any further down that slippery slope, but I doubt it, it is a Catch-22 after all, devolution does mean the gradual transfer of powers to regional centers rather than direct from Westminster.