The unmentionable expansion gets panned in PC Gamer

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

And despite what you think many people consider racing simulators an actual sim.

Nothing better than beating your friend in GTR over the net.

[_Seth_]

.....bump...?

[Safe-Keeper]

The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.

The two last sentences contradict each others to death.

Sure, if you do your best and people understand you, no one can ask for more. I'm addressing people who for some reason just don't care.

Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.

And that takes a bit.

What baffles me is that since Grey Wolves and NYGM are so much better than what Seawolves turned out to be, why didn't they just steal Grey Wolves or NYGM?

Let's say I'm a car thief in a workshop. I can:
a. Steal some parts to make a mediocre car.
b. Steal one of the two brand new sports cars.

Yeah, let's go for a.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

The two last sentences contradict each others to death.

And that takes a bit.

What baffles me is that since Grey Wolves and NYGM are so much better than what Seawolves turned out to be, why didn't they just steal Grey Wolves or NYGM?

Let's say I'm a car thief in a workshop. I can:
a. Steal some parts to make a mediocre car.
b. Steal one of the two brand new sports cars.

Yeah, let's go for a.

[Hybris]

Originally Posted by _Seth_

[Wulfmann]

Originally Posted by Hybris

I don't know how much lower you can go then to take other peoples work that is out for FREE and just slap it to a disc and sell it for your own profit.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services. The bastards...

Try reading the user agreement you clicked yes to when you installed the game.
Ubi owns every file and any alteration is prohibited and you and I and everyone agreed to that when we selected "I agree".
The fact they do not enforce it does not nullify the fact.
The legal binding fact.
Like it or not X-1 was given permission to use the files UBI owns and any changes made to the files UBI owns.
Don’t like that reality don’t buy and play games because that is the real world as compared to the fantasy; we are the world; I’d like to buy the world a coke; Koom by ya, we made a mod so the owners have no right how dare they.
I am not condoning the disrespect to many fine freeware mods that have improved this game and then see it used by a dev.
SH3 mod makers are far from alone on this.
But, to believe that somehow gives us any right at all is a delusion of grander.

Wulfmann

[_Seth_]

I believe this discussion has been up for some time now....

The fact that its copyrighted, is ok. But if X1 thinks that all the mods are made illegaly, they have just sold stolen goods. Thats a crime. Why not go to legal actions againt the freeware modders, if their work is such a big crime?

Who owns the colors on the ships in SHIII? Or the color of the water? Or the excellent models made in wings 3d or other programs? A color isnt a color until it colors something (Rene Descartes). Is the "Mona Lisa" made by Leonardo da Vinci, or is it made by the guy who made the canvas, or the guy who made the colors? Or maybe Mona Lisa's parents, since they made her.....?

I respect your point of view, Wulfmann, and kudos for keeping the discussion in a professional and matter-of-factly way. But i disagree with you, mate. I dont think any game company would loose money on a "open source" policy, they would rather gain public relations and economical benefits. And just to mention how the worlds copyright laws work, here is some quotes.... :

From Wikipeida:

"Copyright law covers only the particular form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. Copyright law provides scope for satirical or interpretive works which themselves may be copyrighted."


The Norwegian law of copyright, AKA "åndsverksloven", § 4:

"The original maker can not deny anyone to make new creations based on the original work. The copyright of the new and independent creations does not depend on the copyright of the original work".

In Norwegian:

"§ 4. Opphavsmannen kan ikke sette seg imot at andre benytter hans åndsverk på en slik måte at nye og selvstendige verk oppstår. Opphavsretten til det nye og selvstendige verk er ikke avhengig av opphavsretten til det verk som er benyttet."


I hope this made it clearer.

[PCG SimGuy]

Originally Posted by Beery

As for Andy Mahood & the other columnists being the best in the mag - maybe, but if Mr.Mahood is the best that PC Gamer has to offer I'm not impressed. He entirely dropped the ball with SH3 - it never got the respect it deserved in his columns (and I told him as much a year ago - he basically responded that they covered it in a preview and that he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention) and as I recall he spent the months after its release jabbering on about old flight sims and racing games..

Hi Ian,

If you're going to post in a public forum I'd appreciate it if you get your facts straight. You emailed me October of last year complaining about the lack of SH3 coverage in PC Gamer. This was my response:

"Thanks for your interest in the column but it's possible you may have missed one or two. I've devoted a fair bit of ink to SH3 in the past year – I wrote a preview in the September 04 issue and my August column was dedicated entirely to the sim – but you're right to point out that I didn't write the official review for the magazine (Dan Morris is a big fan so he handled the PCG review while I contributed a separate review to Maximum PC). I also mentioned the latest official patch in my October column.


How the hell do you read "he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention" into that? I thought we had a pretty civil discourse last year so I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see you misquoting me just to make some obscure point about my journalistic "hackness".


Andy Mahood

[Hybris]

I think in order to really understand the copyrights and were modders stand in it we would have to have a copyright lawyer look at it.

Just my opinion...

<Edit: Don´t try to start a fight here, please! - Gizzmoe>

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by PCG SimGuy

edit --- two years ago ---edit

Andy Mahood

and the band plays on.

[ReallyDedPoet]

PC Gamer pretty much sucks. Go to their web-site, the latest SH review is SH2.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

a see wut u meen dood an i conplitlee agrie

Steve has hit the nail on the head. I be hoked on fonics maself!:rotfl:

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Steve has hit the nail on the head. I be hoked on fonics maself!:rotfl:

Huked on fonics werked fer me !

edit; misspeld werked

[AVGWarhawk]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Roc on dood!