XO: "We're running low on provisions, sir!"

Safe-Keeper · 08-30-06, 12:11 PM

After some people brought this up, I thought I'd see what the community as a whole thought of it.

Do you want supplies of provisions (a.k.a. food and fresh-water) and spare parts (for repairs and fixing of break-downs, for example) to be finite in Silent Hunter IV? I personally think it'd be a good idea, as it'd put a limit on patrol time other than torpedoes, gun ammunition, and critical damage or crew deaths. There were, as far as I know, quite a few times in reality when subs had to return home due to food reserves being depleted, rather than due to torpedoes being expended (which is often the case here).

Furthermore, it can't be that time-consuming to add (note that I'm not really into programming here

). Just two more variables (provisions and spare parts) and some triggers that increases fatigue and eventually causes death when food runs low and which makes repairs less effective (components cannot be repaired to "normal", for example) or impossible when spare parts run low.

Footnotes
* (in poll): "Yesh" includes "yes, but only if it's a realism option".

Ark · 08-30-06, 12:17 PM

That would be great, IMO.

I always felt that things such as that could only add to the immersion factor.

Hylander_1314 · 08-30-06, 12:31 PM

Don't forget about the cook who can toss a couple grenades over the side from time to time. I wouldn't do it in a combat zone, but out in the open ocean, or around friendly islands should be safe enough.

Now where did I stow that fishing rod! Oh Captains Quarters that's where.

Threadfin · 08-30-06, 01:04 PM

Food shortages simply were not an issue on US fleet boats, with an occasional exception, usually bad water. They were among the best provisioned combat units anywhere. Good food and plenty of it. They even baked their own cakes to celebrate sinkings while on patrol. They had fresh water distilleries, refrigerators and freezers. This should be a non-issue for SH4 in my opinion. Life on a US fleet boat was not Das Boot. They could take showers, could do laundry, had good food, movies for entertainment. US fleet boats like Gato, Balao and Tench were far more livable than some seem to imagine.

Maybe for S-boats, but they're not in there. I would vote no in the poll, but there's no "No. It was not an issue in reality, and therefore should not be included in SH4". That would get my vote. If you could perhaps name some patrols in WW2 by US fleet boats in the Pacific that were terminated due to running out of food perhaps I would change my mind. Maybe with P-class there were issues, I'm not sure of their provision arrangement, whether it was more like the S-class or more like the Balao for example.

The spare parts thing is fine, but only if coupled with a detailed damage and breakdown model.

Capt. D · 08-30-06, 03:19 PM

I have to vote no on the provision issue also. Of all the books I've read on US subs I never read anything about becoming low on provisions. Water at times was an issue as water for the batteries and cooking was priority and showeres though available were not a daily common thing. When taking showers one had to do the wet down - off with the water - soap up - rinse off and then off with the water again.

Our subs - especially the Tambors on up - were like palaces vs the U-Boats. Having read some of their stories I remember many a mention of spoiled food. Also if you go on site of the U-505 in Chicago and take the virtual tour take a look at the galley in that boat! It's a wonder anything got cooked! Take a virtual tour of the USS Cod, Silversides and the Cavalla and just look at the difference of the galley.

I do think that spare parts were an issue and have read of subs meeting to hand over spare parts to an outgoing boat who needed this or that. Could be a feature in the sim(?)

Got a question - the trailers for SH4 seem to show underwater views. Is this going to be part of the sim? I could do without those (much like SH3 and SH2) as one never had that option as far as I know on a patrol. Use the space needed for those views to give more external departmental coverage!

Happy Hunting

Safe-Keeper · 08-30-06, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Food shortages simply were not an issue on US fleet boats (...)

Meh, didn't know that. I knew about the fridges, but still, I thought it'd still be an issue. My bad.

Hmmm... What if Japanese spies sabotage the fishing-pole and Bernard's Silent Service counter-part accidentally eats some vital part of the refridgerator

?

My point still stands about spare parts, though.

sqk7744 · 09-03-07, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ark

That would be great, IMO.

I always felt that things such as that could only add to the immersion factor.

Agreed, the Mayflower stopped in Plymouth for this very reason

Lafferty · 09-03-07, 09:29 PM

lol i thought i sunk the Mayflower in SH3 or maybe it was something else i don't know.

FIREWALL · 09-25-07, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lafferty

lol i thought i sunk the Mayflower in SH3 or maybe it was something else i don't know.

Lafferty you bad. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

FIREWALL · 09-25-07, 09:34 AM

Safe-Keeper I think it's a great idea and will keep us on our toes like watching fuel.

Maybe some kinda bar gauge like fuel ?

SteamWake · 09-04-07, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqk7744

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ark

That would be great, IMO.

I always felt that things such as that could only add to the immersion factor.

Agreed, the Mayflower stopped in Plymouth for this very reason

Heh... they stopped to make beer, they had run out.

Here is a link to the story http://www.straightdope.com/columns/051125.html

Fearless · 08-16-07, 07:14 PM

Most definitely a goer for me

Seadogs · 08-17-07, 06:05 PM

I think that fuel is the limiting factor. Unless your just getting to the patroll area and going all stop for three months, but thats not very realistic in itself.

But hey, skies the limit. More options and more features the better as long as it's implemented well.

PS: Way to have a biased poll. Yes, I Suck or I'm a nub :rotfl: J/k

U49 · 09-25-07, 06:16 PM

Especially food would be very exciting, since it would lea to the question if we should think about the amount of daily food rations (higher vs lower performance of the crew)

Hawk_345 · 09-25-07, 06:35 PM

but getting into detail like that, we are getting a little bit eager with the engine, it might not be posible. still would be great if posible and choosing how much rations to give would be a great benefit if the original idea is possible.

View Poll Results: Should you have a limited supply of provisions and spare parts?
Yesh. Food only lasts for so long, as do screws, nuts, and bolts*.	309	82.84%
No opinion (I always get sunk before my crew gets to even have breakfast anyhow:p).	17	4.56%
No thanks. Give the subs those magic food-making machine thingies from Star Trek.	47	12.60%
Voters: 373. You may not vote on this poll

08-30-06, 12:11 PM	#1
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	XO: "We're running low on provisions, sir!" After some people brought this up, I thought I'd see what the community as a whole thought of it. Do you want supplies of provisions (a.k.a. food and fresh-water) and spare parts (for repairs and fixing of break-downs, for example) to be finite in Silent Hunter IV? I personally think it'd be a good idea, as it'd put a limit on patrol time other than torpedoes, gun ammunition, and critical damage or crew deaths. There were, as far as I know, quite a few times in reality when subs had to return home due to food reserves being depleted, rather than due to torpedoes being expended (which is often the case here). Furthermore, it can't be that time-consuming to add (note that I'm not really into programming here). Just two more variables (provisions and spare parts) and some triggers that increases fatigue and eventually causes death when food runs low and which makes repairs less effective (components cannot be repaired to "normal", for example) or impossible when spare parts run low. Footnotes * (in poll): "Yesh" includes "yes, but only if it's a realism option". __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper. Last edited by Safe-Keeper; 08-30-06 at 12:29 PM.

08-30-06, 12:17 PM	#2
Ark Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fresno, CA. Posts: 581 Downloads: 95 Uploads: 0	That would be great, IMO. I always felt that things such as that could only add to the immersion factor. __________________ Ark -------------- Vista 64-bit SP1 Asus P6T Deluxe mobo Core i7 920 @ 3.8ghz 6GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 Evga GTX 285 SSC SB X-FI Fatality 640GB WD "Black" Dell 3007WFP-HC 30" LCD / Acer 23" H233H

08-30-06, 12:31 PM	#3
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Don't forget about the cook who can toss a couple grenades over the side from time to time. I wouldn't do it in a combat zone, but out in the open ocean, or around friendly islands should be safe enough. Now where did I stow that fishing rod! Oh Captains Quarters that's where. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

08-30-06, 01:04 PM	#4
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Food shortages simply were not an issue on US fleet boats, with an occasional exception, usually bad water. They were among the best provisioned combat units anywhere. Good food and plenty of it. They even baked their own cakes to celebrate sinkings while on patrol. They had fresh water distilleries, refrigerators and freezers. This should be a non-issue for SH4 in my opinion. Life on a US fleet boat was not Das Boot. They could take showers, could do laundry, had good food, movies for entertainment. US fleet boats like Gato, Balao and Tench were far more livable than some seem to imagine. Maybe for S-boats, but they're not in there. I would vote no in the poll, but there's no "No. It was not an issue in reality, and therefore should not be included in SH4". That would get my vote. If you could perhaps name some patrols in WW2 by US fleet boats in the Pacific that were terminated due to running out of food perhaps I would change my mind. Maybe with P-class there were issues, I'm not sure of their provision arrangement, whether it was more like the S-class or more like the Balao for example. The spare parts thing is fine, but only if coupled with a detailed damage and breakdown model. __________________ What? Behind the rabbit? Last edited by Threadfin; 08-30-06 at 01:27 PM.

08-30-06, 03:19 PM	#5
Capt. D Helmsman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Warren, Michigan Posts: 109 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I have to vote no on the provision issue also. Of all the books I've read on US subs I never read anything about becoming low on provisions. Water at times was an issue as water for the batteries and cooking was priority and showeres though available were not a daily common thing. When taking showers one had to do the wet down - off with the water - soap up - rinse off and then off with the water again. Our subs - especially the Tambors on up - were like palaces vs the U-Boats. Having read some of their stories I remember many a mention of spoiled food. Also if you go on site of the U-505 in Chicago and take the virtual tour take a look at the galley in that boat! It's a wonder anything got cooked! Take a virtual tour of the USS Cod, Silversides and the Cavalla and just look at the difference of the galley. I do think that spare parts were an issue and have read of subs meeting to hand over spare parts to an outgoing boat who needed this or that. Could be a feature in the sim(?) Got a question - the trailers for SH4 seem to show underwater views. Is this going to be part of the sim? I could do without those (much like SH3 and SH2) as one never had that option as far as I know on a patrol. Use the space needed for those views to give more external departmental coverage! Happy Hunting Last edited by Capt. D; 08-30-06 at 03:32 PM.

09-03-07, 09:29 PM	#8
Lafferty Officer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hot Springs Arkansas Posts: 245 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	lol i thought i sunk the Mayflower in SH3 or maybe it was something else i don't know.

09-25-07, 09:34 AM	#10
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Safe-Keeper I think it's a great idea and will keep us on our toes like watching fuel. Maybe some kinda bar gauge like fuel ? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-16-07, 07:14 PM	#12
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Most definitely a goer for me __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-17-07, 06:05 PM	#13
Seadogs Ensign Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 228 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think that fuel is the limiting factor. Unless your just getting to the patroll area and going all stop for three months, but thats not very realistic in itself. But hey, skies the limit. More options and more features the better as long as it's implemented well. PS: Way to have a biased poll. Yes, I Suck or I'm a nub :rotfl: J/k

09-25-07, 06:16 PM	#14
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Especially food would be very exciting, since it would lea to the question if we should think about the amount of daily food rations (higher vs lower performance of the crew)

09-25-07, 06:35 PM	#15
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	but getting into detail like that, we are getting a little bit eager with the engine, it might not be posible. still would be great if posible and choosing how much rations to give would be a great benefit if the original idea is possible. __________________