Pentagon airplane?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Fish

One for you Avon.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

I don't respond to garbage links like Rense, WRH or StormFront.

[tycho102]

What I would like to see is a university study. Yeah, I know. Another damn university study. Anyway.

What they'd need to do is take soil samples, all over the area, at various depths. I'm talking about several thousand soil samples. And then bind out the aluminium (aluminum). Use a scanning electron microscope to image the aluminium particles. Are they strangely consistent? Do they have a remarkably similar alloy percentage?

If there just happens to be a plane load of aluminium around the pentagon, then that might lead to further conjecture concerning identifiable missile compounds. Maybe check the flight recorder and see if there's some guy saying "Allahu Akbar" nineteen times just before the end of the recording.

[The Avon Lady]

And let's not forget the eyewitnesses.

University study, pft................

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

University study, pft................

Vernacular theory, pft................

It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in conspiracy and yet so easily dismiss God.

[drEaPer]

Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Assuming such tapes even exist, ask the Pentagon Most likely, no one here would know for sure, and would only be giving opinions.

According to the concerned witnesses tapes all over the place from different stores/hotels etc were taken by the FBI.
Just curious here.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by waste gate

It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in conspiracy

So will you when the lizard men come for you. :rotfl: :p

[Torplexed]

I'm not saying that 911 = the Holocaust. I'm saying that people who say the Holocaust didn't happen have a eeriely similar thinking to those saying that 911 didn't happen the way we all saw it happen.

For the Holocaust,

millions on people are missing,
thousands of photographs of the camps and survivors were taken by the military.
many camps were filmed.
thousands of allied soldiers reported it.
thousands of Germans reported it too.
thousands of survivors
Doctors examined the survivors.
the camps still exist.
Nazi records still exist.
History of increasing violence against Jews during Nazi regime.
Nazi leadership admits they did it.

In other words, lots of eyewitnesses, lots of evidence and lots of documentation, but yet many believe it never happened or some secret Jewish cabal was able to make up and plant everything. Of course there is no evidence to suggest that it never happened.

For 911 ,

hundreds, maybe thousands in the WTC saw the planes going into the buildings.
ten of thousands on the ground saw the crashes happen live.
millions more saw the crashes via recordings.
millions saw the towers fall live
planes tracked into NYC and DC environs.
lots of evidence (bodies, debris, etc)
Terrorists admitted to doing it.
WTC attacked once before, plus increasing attacks against US targets: (USS Cole, Kenyan and Tanzanian Embassies).
best technical people in the world can easily explain the WTC collapse.

Again we have lots of eyewitnesses, lots of evidence, lots of documentation and the best technical minds giving their opinion, but yet many believe that George Bush and cronies could in eight months could plan and execute a vast conspiracy scheme to destroy three skyscapers, larger than anything that has ever been done before and no one gets caught in the act of doing it or comes forward to admit their part. (Yet the same administration can't this magic act to work in Iraq.) Of course there is no evidence to suggest that Bush was behind it, just a few self proclaimed experts. Self proclaimed experts who for some reason never get 'disappeared' by this all-powerful prison planet conspiracy.

In other words, both events are witnessed by thousands, documented to the hilt, have admissions by those who did it, and have expert opinions, yet some secret cabal must be behind it.

[Marriott]

actually actually actually last time i checked Al-Queblahblah didnt claim responsibility. They praised the attacks and said some stuff about america but stopped just short of repsonisibility. (and no i am not a conspiracy person)

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Marriott

actually actually actually last time i checked Al-Queblahblah didnt claim responsibility. They praised the attacks and said some stuff about america but stopped just short of repsonisibility. (and no i am not a conspiracy person)

While you might not be a conspiracy person, someone is misinforming you:

"[W]e calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. ...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day."
- Transcript of Osama bin Laden videotape, December 13, 2001

"........for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Atta ... that all operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice."
- Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech, November 1, 2004

[Fish]

:hmm:

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Fish

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

Keywords: confusion, incompetence, ineptitude, insufficient, inaccuracy, chaos, misreporting.

There's a big difference between the above words and "deception", which at the most Dobbs says is "possible". Like wow!

Has it not been made obvious by now that US security and intelligence was nothing but one big blunder after another, that allowed 9/11 to occur in the 1st place? And then we're supposed to be in a state of shock that nothing functioned properly under crisis afterward (and still much to this very day)?

So Kean and Hamilton are promoting a book? And CNN is becoming the National Enquirer of current events? And we're supposed to be suprised?

[joea]

Originally Posted by Fish

:hmm:

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

I thought you said you were not a conspiracy theorist but arguing with one on another forum? If you believe this stuff just say so!!!

[Konovalov]

The tsunami sized wave of facts speak for themselves. The only conspiracy was the one created, planned, and implemented by Al Qaeda on that horrible day, end of story. It was a conspiracy to commit mass murder plain and simple. That's my 2 pence worth.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by joea

I thought you said you were not a conspiracy theorist but arguing with one on another forum? If you believe this stuff just say so!!!

I don't, well not all. Always hear both sides.