The Death Penalty...Is it right?

This was is a bit brutal wouldn't you say? I am not condoning the acts that inmate(s) have done to get themselves put there, but I think that torturing someone to death is a bit grizzly. I vote give em the needle in future (it gets the job done just as well and it is a lot more humane). Actually, I would perfer to abolish the death penalty altogether. I think it is wrong of the government to be able to commit pre-meditated murder under the power of State. What ever happened to the power of God and "Thou shall not Kill? What makes a State think that they are more powerful and Just than the Almighty?


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[Dowly]

If man kills another man, IMO he should be punished with death. "Thou shall not Kill", tell that to the murderers. If someone slowly and painfully kills someone, why the murderers death should be humane?

Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Dowly

If man kills another man, IMO he should be punished with death. "Thou shall not Kill", tell that to the murderers. If someone slowly and painfully kills someone, why the murderers death should be humane?

Just my 2 cents.

That opinion makes State government look no better than the murderers IMO. Only difference is that the State and people involved in the execution of the murderer don't have to pay the same price the murderer did.

I think life behind bars is punishment enough. Let God make the judgements on the guilty. There is no need to execute anyone. People claim it makes room in the prison system. That's BS. In the US a person gets executed like once in a blue moon. Why not release the petty criminals and have them show up to a parole officer once a week. This country is cracking down more and more on small crimes and that is what is flooding the prison system. I read in a news article that a guy in Cali has to spend the rest of his life behind bars with no chance of parole for stealing a few kids movies from a store. He had been found guilty for 2 earlier small petty crimes prior to his latest (3) crime. Cali has the new 3 strikes and your out rule on ALL crime. All 3 of this man's crimes were extremely petty but in Cali that does not matter and he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. Certainly there are worse offenders out there that could be taking his place.

[kiwi_2005]

A few crims in NZ should be put to death without a doubt, their has been some gruesome crimes happening over the past yrs where the opposition has been pushing for the Death penalty yet it would never happen here. I remeber one where a guy walked into a pizza shop and shot dead the teller then went to two other shops and shot them dead. First he asked them to hand over the money in the till then told them to knell down and then shot them in the back of the head? He got his money why shoot them??? He's wearing a mask so they can't identify him so what is the point of shooting them??? The pizza guy was only 16yrs old just begining his life and probably his first job. Shot dead over $200.

When the police arrested him they should of put a bullet in the back of his head.

So what should be done with this fella?
Only two minor arrests. He is a butcher both literally and figuratively. He took the life of a human being, then carved her up nice and neat.

MINEOLA, New York — A man was jailed without bail Saturday, one day after he was arrested on charges he dismembered his neighbor and drove around with her severed head in the trunk of his car.

Evan Marshall, 31, of Glen Cove, New York, was arraigned on second-degree murder in the brutal slaying of Denice Fox at her home inside an exclusive gated community in Glen Cove. Police said Marshall kept the victim's body parts inside several trash bins in the basement of his home — except for the head, which was in his 1990 Toyota.
The 57-year-old Fox was a retired school teacher, and authorities offered no motive for Thursday's gruesome slaying. Marshall had no violent criminal history, with arrests only for petit larceny and driving while intoxicated, authorities said.
He was arrested Friday after driving his car back to his home, where police were waiting. Two large carving knives were recovered at the crime scene, police said.

On Thursday, Fox's daughter called Glen Cove police after discovering her mother was missing and finding blood in the vestibule of her mother's home. Police canvassing the neighborhood were allowed into the home where Marshall lived with his mother, and soon made their grisly discovery. Marshall also was suspected of using his car to run down a woman walking on a sidewalk about a 1 mile away from the Fox home on Thursday morning. The unidentified woman was hospitalized, but her injuries were not life-threatening.

On another note, perhaps the death penalty would be more justly applied if it was administered no more than two years after the crime. No more sitting on death row for ten plus years.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by waste gate

So what should be done with this fella?
Only two minor arrests. He is a butcher both literally and figuratively. He took the life of a human being, then carved her up nice and neat.

On another note, perhaps the death penalty would be more justly applied if it was administered no more than two years after the crime. No more sitting on death row for ten plus years.

I agree. If you are going to have a death penalty it should be administered quickly. When the UK had the death penalty, the convicted person had one appeal to the Home Secretary, if that failed, after three clear Sundays the convict would hang. Basically between trial and execution would be no more than three weeks.

Nemo

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

A few crims in NZ should be put to death without a doubt, their has been some gruesome crimes happening over the past yrs where the opposition has been pushing for the Death penalty yet it would never happen here. I remeber one where a guy walked into a pizza shop and shot dead the teller then went to two other shops and shot them dead. First he asked them to hand over the money in the till then told them to knell down and then shot them in the back of the head? He got his money why shoot them??? He's wearing a mask so they can't identify him so what is the point of shooting them??? The pizza guy was only 16yrs old just begining his life and probably his first job. Shot dead over $200.

When the police arrested him they should of put a bullet in the back of his head.

It is a shame that there are bad people in this world that have no remorse for life. But shouldn't we, as civilized people, show some self control to our emotions? I feel sorry for the victims and their families, but killing off a convicted person is not the way of the Lord. Has the Lord come down and told us "Thou shall NOT kill - Unless its a convicted felon"? I just recall God stating the first part of that statement. It's a very cold and cruel punishment to strap a man into a chair and melt his brain so that it comes out his nose and mouth. That's about the same as putting someone in a microwave. It's just sick and disturbing!

So how do you feel about war? If your government orders you to go into combat, should you refuse on the grounds that God commands you not to kill, ever? That's what the Quakers believe, and they get special exemptions from combat duty, meaning that if drafted they only have to serve in non-combat roles.

Personally, I feel that if a person is guilty of certain crimes he has forfeited the basic civil rights that govern the rest of us. The main purpose of Captital Punishment to me is that using the state to do it lowers the possibility of vedettas.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

It is a shame that there are bad people in this world that have no remorse for life. But shouldn't we, as civilized people, show some self control to our emotions? I feel sorry for the victims and their families, but killing off a convicted person is not the way of the Lord. Has the Lord come down and told us "Thou shall NOT kill - Unless its a convicted felon"? I just recall God stating the first part of that statement. It's a very cold and cruel punishment to strap a man into a chair and melt his brain so that it comes out his nose and mouth. That's about the same as putting someone in a microwave. It's just sick and disturbing!

Yeah i see your point, yet in the old testament God says:
Exodus Chapter 21: verse 23-25.
23) But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life.
24)"Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
25) Burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

But christains will argue my statement saying thats the old testament, its the new testament we should go by, as Jesus came and taught forgiveness. - if a man strikes you on the left cheek turn the other cheek so he can strike you on the right cheek (forgot the full words but something like that.) Im not saying Jesus is wrong either. In fact to follow Jesus woud be much harder than the old testament. And what about Theres a time for war and a time for peace. Isn't God really saying theres a time to go out and kill and a time not to kill?

Also our last crim put to death was in 1957 he was hanged, then the death penalty was abolished. If we brought back the death penalty it would be the hanging gallows - no frying the brain treatment. Which i think hanging would be a bit moreless gruesome?:hmm:

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Dowly

"Thou shall not Kill",

Very well spoken, thou shall not kill!!

When you kill a murderer, you are one too. See your own quote.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Fish

Very well spoken, thou shall not kill!!

When you kill a murderer, you are one too. See your own quote.

Hardly. There is a big difference between murder and punishment. The Death Penalty in this case is punishment.

[Heibges]

What about:

Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that yee be not judged"

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

???

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Heibges

What about:

Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that yee be not judged"

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

???

That is for your neighbor, not the stranger that just murdered the rest of your family.

Besides, god allows defense of ones self, taking of a life if need be in that defense. SHould we just kill that man on the spot for killing your family? Or should we give him the ability to defend himself in court prior to killing him? To allow him to defend himself is the honorable thing to do is the answer and that is exactly what is going on here. Otherwise, armed men may just run the countryside, raping and pillaging and who is going to say cannot?

The point is, your passages are being taken out of context.

-S

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Fish

Very well spoken, thou shall not kill!!

When you kill a murderer, you are one too. See your own quote.

So, how does the soldier respond? If killing is killing, then shouldn't everyone refuse to join any army?

As Avon said, in the original language the injunction is against murder, not judicial punishment.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

[, then shouldn't everyone refuse to join any army?

Only when you are religious..... then, yes.
Its one of the ten commandments, the rest is sidetalk.

To make myself clear, if I saw you kill my daughter for example, I kill you at the spot.
Give me the time to think, I am not.
No dead penalty here since the after days of WW II.
Do we have a problem now.. no we haven't.