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scandium · 06-15-06, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

You're full of crap scandium, yet again.

You do not represent even a fraction of Canadians or their viewpoints. In fact you are probably in the smallest minority of all Canadians who so solidly support fanatical, or even terroristic muslims.

Most Canadians do not like radical muslims and would readily send them packing to where they came from. You are the exception, don't go spouting that Canadian multiculturalism includes supporting terrorists (Which a hell of a lot of muslims are).

Nice strawman. Never have I supported terrorists, Muslim or otherwise. Let alone said that Canadians do.

CCIP · 06-16-06, 12:32 AM

I would agree that there is a problem with Canada's immigration system - well, no, actually there is a problem with unsystematic immigration. I can tell you safely if everyone went through the 'point system' on going here, no evil extremist Muslim immigrants that you're so afraid of would slip through.

I essentially agree with scandium that demonizing absolutely all Muslims is wrong. I will agree that there are some very disturbing things in the scripture, laws and from the religious leaders.

But you know what? I work and study with Muslims almost on a daily basis - not the extremist kind, but exclusively what I would describe as somewhere between 'moderate muslims' to 'almost-non-practicing muslims'. And I assure you, that I would rather work with THOSE particular kinds of Muslims than quite a few christians, jews, atheists, and even obsessed cultist buddhists that I've (rather directly) known. I think they have every right to be in my society, as long as they act as I've observed them act, whereas conversely, there's many perfectly native nutjobs that I think don't deserve that right.

I'll concede to banning Islam, but the next day I'll ask for banning of all other religions, and I'd better damn get it.

Call me a spoiled socialist. Maybe I am. But I'm looking past all proposed solutions and somehow I'm not getting a rosy picture of Europe/the West without Islam. Why should I?

I think after a while in agreement with the alarm-ringers, I'll firmly go back to my old camp, which is my old camp of 'Islam should be the least of your worries right now'. At least that's what my observations of suggestions on how to deal with it are; there is just no reasonable approach in this whatsoever. The "them or us" thing will never work for me, firstly because I don't see a "us" anywhere around here. I see a "them", but I'm not going against "them" to get my nose bloodied while "us" are busy doing a lot of stupid and self-destructive things.

06-16-06, 12:32 AM	#32
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I would agree that there is a problem with Canada's immigration system - well, no, actually there is a problem with unsystematic immigration. I can tell you safely if everyone went through the 'point system' on going here, no evil extremist Muslim immigrants that you're so afraid of would slip through. I essentially agree with scandium that demonizing absolutely all Muslims is wrong. I will agree that there are some very disturbing things in the scripture, laws and from the religious leaders. But you know what? I work and study with Muslims almost on a daily basis - not the extremist kind, but exclusively what I would describe as somewhere between 'moderate muslims' to 'almost-non-practicing muslims'. And I assure you, that I would rather work with THOSE particular kinds of Muslims than quite a few christians, jews, atheists, and even obsessed cultist buddhists that I've (rather directly) known. I think they have every right to be in my society, as long as they act as I've observed them act, whereas conversely, there's many perfectly native nutjobs that I think don't deserve that right. I'll concede to banning Islam, but the next day I'll ask for banning of all other religions, and I'd better damn get it. Call me a spoiled socialist. Maybe I am. But I'm looking past all proposed solutions and somehow I'm not getting a rosy picture of Europe/the West without Islam. Why should I? I think after a while in agreement with the alarm-ringers, I'll firmly go back to my old camp, which is my old camp of 'Islam should be the least of your worries right now'. At least that's what my observations of suggestions on how to deal with it are; there is just no reasonable approach in this whatsoever. The "them or us" thing will never work for me, firstly because I don't see a "us" anywhere around here. I see a "them", but I'm not going against "them" to get my nose bloodied while "us" are busy doing a lot of stupid and self-destructive things. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 06-16-06 at 12:51 AM.