Putin is turning Russia back into USSR - Page 3

Kapitan · 05-19-06, 04:56 AM

No country is truely communist end of.

As for russia putin is trying to put it back on its feet and that is why he can only allow half democracy, look what happend when yeltsin came to power manic wasnt the word.

STEED · 05-19-06, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

No country is truely communist end of.

Kapitan · 05-19-06, 05:13 AM

No steed thats communism born out of conveniance, do you find anyone in them two countries who have total equality?

I dont think so therefore they cannot be a true communist state.

STEED · 05-19-06, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

I dont think so therefore they cannot be a true communist state.

Go and tell them that one.

Kapitan · 05-19-06, 05:25 AM

Go to google and look up true communism and then compair it to them two countries you will find that they dont match that much.

STEED · 05-19-06, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Go to google and look up true communism and then compair it to them two countries you will find that they dont match that much.

WHY??????????

Kapitan · 05-19-06, 06:31 AM

One of the elements of true communism is equality of all people, do you see that in china or korea?

No you dont therefore them countries cannot be true communist states.

Skybird · 05-19-06, 07:21 AM

For such debate, I always considered it to be a good idea to keep totalitarism and communism two separate things, and to keep capitalism and democracy two separate tings as well. It's sort of antagonistic.

And communism and democracy suffer from the same misperception: that man is reasonable, altruistic, and good. If we really were like that, the world wouldn't be where it currently is - and that is not an encouraging state.

I think both things, democarcy and communism, only works in social communties of that size, and not bigger. Beyond that, both turn into feudal structures again. We see it in Europe, we see it in Russia, in the US, and in China as well. Neither communism nor democracy work for communities of that size. In both cases, self-declared pseudo-elites emerge and ursurp power.

Accoridng to Chaos theories, systems of a given structural complexity level can only grow so far ion that level, if they grow bigger in size, the system goes into a phase of chaotic recostruction- and re-emerges on a higher complexity level again, with a structural order that is completely new. It may hold the solutions to all problems of the lower levels (earlier developement) phases, but it comes at the price of new problems that are not present on lower levels of the hierarchy of previous orders.

However, if the system on a given developement level and of a given comkplexity sturcture grows in size beyond that barrier and does not turn chaotic and then transform into a system of higher complexity, if this system instead only grows and adds more and more single peices to the old structure, it suffers from more and more probpems, and sooner or later dies. There is no such thing as unlimited growth, and each structural level has it'S limits for size. Uncontrolled growth is something that is known in medicine: uncontrolled cellular growth, it is called a tumor, or cancer. Our communties suffer fro this kind of cancer, too, may it be with regard to traffic systems and road networks, may it be with regard to interactive finance structures, may it be with regard to the distribution of powers in representative bodies and offices, may it be with the self-dynamic of our industrial and economical structures.

STEED · 05-19-06, 07:27 AM

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One of the elements of true communism is equality of all people

Not under Uncle Joe.

Kapitan · 05-19-06, 07:34 AM

Whos uncle joe is that the canadian version of uncle sam?

CB.. · 05-19-06, 07:40 AM

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No, China does *not* remain a communist state. Their state-run factories are being closed down. Their citizens are now creating self-initiated privately run corporations, self-owned businesses, becoming independent/self-directed entrepeneurs. Which is the power behind their current boom and the sole reason we are projecting their eventual rise in power in the next few decades in the first place.

Edit: Grammar

yes you allready said that....Communists (the clever ones anyway) like money too-- you know big houses etc etc..now they can have both...at one special reduced price limited period only..scary isn't it...

STEED · 05-19-06, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Whos uncle joe

Oberon · 05-19-06, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Whos uncle joe is that the canadian version of uncle sam?

I think STEED is referring to Mr Ioseb Jughashvili

But I agree with Kap, true communism, the total equality of the masses, is not possible in this unideal world. Every attempt has resulted in virtual dictatorship.

STEED · 05-19-06, 09:42 AM

Communism dose not work.

Onkel Neal · 05-19-06, 09:57 AM

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Communism dose not work.

Agreed 100%

Communism: "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us".

05-19-06, 04:56 AM	#1
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	No country is truely communist end of. As for russia putin is trying to put it back on its feet and that is why he can only allow half democracy, look what happend when yeltsin came to power manic wasnt the word. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-19-06, 05:13 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	No steed thats communism born out of conveniance, do you find anyone in them two countries who have total equality? I dont think so therefore they cannot be a true communist state. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-19-06, 05:25 AM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Go to google and look up true communism and then compair it to them two countries you will find that they dont match that much. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-19-06, 06:31 AM	#7
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	One of the elements of true communism is equality of all people, do you see that in china or korea? No you dont therefore them countries cannot be true communist states. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-19-06, 07:21 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	For such debate, I always considered it to be a good idea to keep totalitarism and communism two separate things, and to keep capitalism and democracy two separate tings as well. It's sort of antagonistic. And communism and democracy suffer from the same misperception: that man is reasonable, altruistic, and good. If we really were like that, the world wouldn't be where it currently is - and that is not an encouraging state. I think both things, democarcy and communism, only works in social communties of that size, and not bigger. Beyond that, both turn into feudal structures again. We see it in Europe, we see it in Russia, in the US, and in China as well. Neither communism nor democracy work for communities of that size. In both cases, self-declared pseudo-elites emerge and ursurp power. Accoridng to Chaos theories, systems of a given structural complexity level can only grow so far ion that level, if they grow bigger in size, the system goes into a phase of chaotic recostruction- and re-emerges on a higher complexity level again, with a structural order that is completely new. It may hold the solutions to all problems of the lower levels (earlier developement) phases, but it comes at the price of new problems that are not present on lower levels of the hierarchy of previous orders. However, if the system on a given developement level and of a given comkplexity sturcture grows in size beyond that barrier and does not turn chaotic and then transform into a system of higher complexity, if this system instead only grows and adds more and more single peices to the old structure, it suffers from more and more probpems, and sooner or later dies. There is no such thing as unlimited growth, and each structural level has it'S limits for size. Uncontrolled growth is something that is known in medicine: uncontrolled cellular growth, it is called a tumor, or cancer. Our communties suffer fro this kind of cancer, too, may it be with regard to traffic systems and road networks, may it be with regard to interactive finance structures, may it be with regard to the distribution of powers in representative bodies and offices, may it be with the self-dynamic of our industrial and economical structures. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-19-06, 07:34 AM	#10
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Whos uncle joe is that the canadian version of uncle sam? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-19-06, 09:42 AM	#14
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Communism dose not work. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!