SH3 still top thanks to Starforce/ All SF post here

[winters]

I thought i had read someplace that it didnt. Oh well, i havent had any issues with my game or my PC since getting it.

[GT182]

Problems can pop up later on Winters. Hold your breath and pray they don't.

[winters]

I've had the game installed for over a year now but i will keep an eye on things.

[Vonotto]

Originally Posted by GT182

Vonotto, glad you're not having problems. But be careful, S-F can and maybe will bite you in the future when you least expect it. As it did to me after 8 months with my dvd burner.

Search and you'll find more about it.... here in this section and in the General Topics section.

I wouldn't read too much in what Starforce says in it's forums, they're only blowing their own horn to make themselves look good. Believe me, they're not good at all.

Don't get me wrong... I love SHIII. It's just the "malware" that UBI used to protect it that makes most of us mad as all h*ll.

Just to let you guys know....I copy all of my movie DVD's with my burner and make copies of music cd's with burner and copy program (all legal and only things I own and have paid for) and have never had a problem with starforce messing anything up.

[Soulcommander]

This topic has gone off track but whatever.

As far as your knowledge Mr. Channing I can't argue with you. But here in my city Best Buy did not sell that many copies and I happen to know the manager and he stated to me that there were copies on the shelf months after it came out and that the game did not sell well at all.

So as far as the story goes that I posted with link, I guess take it up with the journalist. Thats what I do. I go to the source.

If you don't like what is published let the journalsit know and tell him to back it up with proof.

I can assure you that any credible journalist does that.

Here is an example of how your own moderator posted something without checking out the facts on the article:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=47535&start=0

CDfreaks article is an example of poor journalism, Mark never spoke to any online Magazine. If you need further proof I can post Marks response to me about this.

I also wrote to CDFREAKS...but they never responded.
So yes, I do practice what I preach in case you were wondering.

[Soulcommander]

Since some people in this thread did go off topic and have had no issues with Starforce and are likely watching this post, I would like to post the following here.

Hello all, I know alot of you are wondering what has been going on?
Well yours truly and 13thhour have been getting info to you as best we can. Now Cyber Shack brings you some info from:
Dennis Zhidkov (StarForce Technologies)
Steven Levy (Newsweek magazine)
Dan Mattia (Game-Overdrive.com)
Larry Freese (Consumer Rights Activist)

I also want to add that alot of the interview with myself was deleted for length requirements I'm sure. I want to add that I do NOT use nor have I ever used Daemon Tools or Alcohol 120% and yet I still had a CDRW drive fail!

Listen closely and replay it many times. Absorb what is being said.
Again this is real. And just becasue it hasn't hit you doesn't mean it never will.

Don't come down on the consumer. We are all consumers. We are here because we care and how it may affect you, the unknowing, like it affected us, myself included.

Thanks to places like Subsim and the Cyber shack for the medium to make the public aware.


The actual web page:
http://cybershack.com/comments.asp?id=453

Direct feed click here

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Soulcommander

Listen closely and replay it many times. Absorb what is being said.

There was nothing to absorb, unfortunately nothing new was being said.

[Soulcommander]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

There was nothing to absorb, unfortunately nothing new was being said.

Thanks for the comment I couldnt wait till you chimed in. You obviously don't have ears nor are you a caring person. Just here to make rebuttles and more.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Soulcommander

You obviously don't have ears nor are you a caring person.

Ok, then be so kind and tell those people who don´t have time to replay it many times and to absorb all the informations correctly which important things were being said that we didn´t read before somewhere.

[Vonotto]

What is sad here and in EVERY forum everywhere is how some people have had troubles with a product and then continue to bad mouth it to others who have never had a problems and may never have one. What I would like to see is ....make your point once, there is no need to continue to bash things and attempt to sway others into what has become your "fight". All you do is make others feel that you have nothing productive to say, just the same old pitch.

This has been only my opinion.

To SoulCommander, this is NOT directed at you it is just my venting on something I see everyday here and on other forums. This topic just pushed me to the point I wanted to speak out.

[Soulcommander]

Originally Posted by Vonotto

What is sad here and in EVERY forum everywhere is how some people have had troubles with a product and then continue to bad mouth it to others who have never had a problems and may never have one. What I would like to see is ....make your point once, there is no need to continue to bash things and attempt to sway others into what has become your "fight". All you do is make others feel that you have nothing productive to say, just the same old pitch.

This has been only my opinion.

To SoulCommander, this is NOT directed at you it is just my venting on something I see everyday here and on other forums. This topic just pushed me to the point I wanted to speak out.

I understand what your saying... The point is this is new information just like topics continue in tthe news. Iraq or whatever... Point here is you don't have to read Starforce threads that others create. If you don't want to read them, don't click on them. They are here for information. They are here and they don't force themselves on your monitor like some things I now get into your computer without your knowledge. Get my point?

Skip over all Starforce threads if you don't like the heading.

[winters]

Originally Posted by Soulcommander

Since some people in this thread did go off topic and have had no issues with Starforce and are likely watching this post, I would like to post the following here.

Let me get this right, your saying since i havent had any problems with StarForce that i am off topic? i thought the point of this thread was StarForce, are you saying if i am not here to bash it that i am off topic?

This is a forum, and by definition it means a public place to hold open discussions. My PC is still running fine after 1 year of playing the game. Maybe StarForce is as bad as people say it is, i have yet to have any problems with my PC and i think its a valid point to bring up in this discussion.

[U-4053]

Ok I listened to the radio broacast about this issue, it sounds like there is not enough evidence or data at this time, however, it is pointing in the direction that there is a serious issue with this starforce software and drivers.
At this point it looks like everyone is looking for someone to point the finger at from listening to this radio cast.
Personnaly I don't know I am not Computer literate to the point of writing code and stuff, so I have to put my trust in what other people who have that capability say, so I am still on the fence about it, but Im teetering towards the Lets Kill starforce crowd.
Should have an ol Fashioned Lynch Mob ready to go .

Charlie

[Soulcommander]

Originally Posted by winters

Let me get this right, your saying since i havent had any problems with StarForce that i am off topic? i thought the point of this thread was StarForce, are you saying if i am not here to bash it that i am off topic?

This is a forum, and by definition it means a public place to hold open discussions. My PC is still running fine after 1 year of playing the game. Maybe StarForce is as bad as people say it is, i have yet to have any problems with my PC and i think its a valid point to bring up in this discussion.

Yes you got off topic. The post was about how well Silent Hunter was doing. Not about if you had no issues.
Moderators sometimes get upset here and there when topics drift, thats why I posted "Off Topic" But since no moderator has stoped it thus far then it seems its ok. So I did it too.

1. Your download carries Starforce if it was a Starforce protected game. Check your device manager and click on "Show Hidden devices"
Then look under plug and play.

2. Show me where I or anyone says if you have Starforce installed you will 100% be affected.

3. Just because you have SF installed does not mean that you will be affected. In the same token it does not mean you wont! Sometimes the affect of SF takes a while to show up as in GT182 occurence. (A former Ubisoft moderator)

4. I am not here to insult anyone, or bash SF...so if I did I apologize.

SC

[Soulcommander]

Originally Posted by U-4053

Ok I listened to the radio broacast about this issue, it sounds like there is not enough evidence or data at this time, however, it is pointing in the direction that there is a serious issue with this starforce software and drivers.
At this point it looks like everyone is looking for someone to point the finger at from listening to this radio cast.
Personnaly I don't know I am not Computer literate to the point of writing code and stuff, so I have to put my trust in what other people who have that capability say, so I am still on the fence about it, but Im teetering towards the Lets Kill starforce crowd.
Should have an ol Fashioned Lynch Mob ready to go .

Charlie

Actually there is evidence. And because of certain circumstances we can't post this. Can you understand that?
Also you can see a post here where there is more evidence coming in about problems. http://r-force.org/modules.php?name=...viewtopic&t=14

Also know that much of the interview was cut for time constraints. You would know alot more if it was aired in its entirety.
Another post of interest: http://r-force.org/modules.php?name=...viewtopic&t=20

Your lets kill SF crowd is rather harsh. But I get your point.
Also since I don't appreciate that word at the moment you will have to pardon me from asking you not to use such harsh language.

We want Starforce to addmit there are problems and fix them. But they never will as so many people would demand credit for hardware and computer down time.

Or we just want the game companies that we purchase software from to go with other less intrusive copy protection that doesn't use ring 0 level protection that causes much of the problems that we are seeing.

One game that Im all for is this one! Getting a 9 from reviewers at the moment and the company is against intrusive copy protection.

http://r-force.org/modules.php?name=...viewtopic&t=25

Or a more direct link here: http://www.galciv2.com/forums.aspx?f...&aid=21895&c=1