Excited/ dissapointed it will be PTO? - Page 3

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 01-31-06, 08:33 AM

just a thought here... the reason why there is so much attention to the 'amount' of action, as opposed to the 'intensity' of the action... probably lies in the fact that there needs to be a lil more first person immersion in the game (uuhh, sorry, sim

)

i mean, if you were 'there' instead of being on top of it all with a god's eye perspective, zooming around in fast time, searching for convoys...

if you had more sub 'stuff' to do... controlling the sub, standing watch, actually fixing damage and stuff...

plus...

as i remember it, there was a lot of pacific action in those movies i saw as a kid... Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster sure seemed to have their hands full...

and Cary Grant and crew also saw some action as sailed toward Destination Tokyo...

http://www.carygrant.net/wavs/destination/tokyomen.wav

Glenn Ford and Ernest Bornine also did their thing in the pacific in Torpedo Run...

and don't let 'The Duke' hear ya say that there weren't no action during his tour of duty in Operation Pacific...

finally... who would not want to experience the voyage of the SS Sea Tiger as they participated in Operation Petticoat...

the pacific sub war... hey, it's got a lot to offer

Mike

aanker · 01-31-06, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

the pacific sub war... hey, it's got a lot to offer ;)

How about some books:

Silent Victory, Clay Blair, Jr.
Clear the Bridge! and Wahoo Richard O'Kane
Thunder Below! Eugene Fluckey
Run Silent, Run Deep Edward L. Beach
Take Her Deep! I.J. Galantin
Shinano! Joseph Enright
Silent Running James Calvert
The Last Patrol Harry Holmes
The Bravest Man William Tuohy
Pigboat Bobette Gugliotta

These are just a few

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hunter301 · 01-31-06, 09:56 PM

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If it's an all-new game with an all-new engine, then I see no reason not to do another U-boat sim. If, however, as seems likely, it's going to have the same engine and style as SHIII, then why walk over the same ground? The original Silent Hunter was based in the Pacific, and it's still popular today, so there is definitely a market for it.

You can't compare a game that came out over 10 years ago to what could be produced out the same mold as SH3. I for one can't wait to have my fleet type sub back. I was raised rootin for the american subs. Not the german U-boats. The american boats in the beginning where nothing to go running for joy about. Most of those old "S" boats where lucky they could float. You thought a type VII was small. The americans had to work there way up the technology ladder the same as the germans or brits did. Where do you think we got radar from?
The TDC didn't even come out until the fleet boats. But by the time you do get your fleet boat you had a kick ass killing machine. And those japs where no slouches either. Anybody ever look at a topo of the bottom of the pacific. A lot shallower around the east coast of Japan and the Alutians than the Atlantic. Your not going to "Take her Deep!!" to many times in the Pacific. You run like hell and take a beating the whole way. Get yourself stuck inside those Island chains in shallow water with a bunch of destroyers on point and see how will you are to say "Here I am!" with a torpedo shot.
Oh and lets not forget all those torpedo problems they had in the beggining. Even in the fleet boats using a TDC you still had over a 50% chance of getting a dud or even worse premature explosions. If I am not mistaken our problems with torpedos was even worse than the germans had.

02-01-06, 12:49 AM

I hope you didn't misunderstand me; my point is the same as yours. When I said "the same ground" I meant it would be silly to do another U-boat sim with the same engine. I want my 'S' boats too. At least they had a deck gun, and no having to wait for calm weather to load external torpedoes.

American torpedo faults were almost exactly the same as the Germans'. The difference was US high command refused to believe it, and it wasn't until Admiral Lockwood took over in 1943 that he started to conduct tests which finally led to a solution.

sonar732 · 02-01-06, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by aanker

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Originally Posted by Dogsbd

It really isn't worth the effort to get SH running on XP when you can easily find DOS PC's at thrift stores etc. for $20.

LOL...... right you are unless of course the boss of the house (wife) objects to the extra clutter. Excellent solution for those who can though.

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I can empathize with that statement. :rotfl: She already complains about the time spent on two computers. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Onkel Neal · 02-02-06, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes, everyone has an opinion. Mine is that a return to the Pacific is long overdue. Besides, maybe the Atlantic could be taken care of in a patch or expansion once the primary game is completed.

Agreed. And I'm pretty burned out on playing Germans and getting my butt kicked, I wanna play on the winning side for a change

Marhkimov · 02-02-06, 05:36 AM

And I wanna be an american again... It's been a while since I was an american in WWII...

IL2FBA (russian, german)
SH3 (german)

well, aside from Pacific Fighters...

simtim · 02-02-06, 06:07 PM

Here here!

Don't get me wrong, I have fun playing as a German U-Boat commander, but there is nothing like allying yourself with the good ol' US Navy! <salute> <grin>

This is probably a worn-out topic by now, but I have longed to command a US sub in WW2 again, since it is very difficult to advance the cause of the Nazis.... (Hope I am not opening a can of worms here.) Then again, it is only a game and so I did not take my victories and many defeats too seriously.

- Tim

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Originally Posted by Marhkimov

And I wanna be an american again... It's been a while since I was an american in WWII...

IL2FBA (russian, german)
SH3 (german)

well, aside from Pacific Fighters...

Dogsbd · 02-03-06, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marhkimov

well, aside from Pacific Fighters...

PF is so incomplete that it doesn't really count.

Ark · 02-05-06, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

There are always people who do and people who don't. I personally really want a new Pacific sub sim, and while I understand the ones who don't I would really appreciate it if you would try to understand my feelings as well.

Where would we be now if half of us had said "We don't want another U-boat game!" two years ago?

^^^^

Agreed.

supersloth · 02-05-06, 09:10 PM

how bout an all encompassing game including both atlantic and pacific theaters. but i will agree that i am more into the atlantic side of the war; just something cool about the cold frigid waters of the atlantic.

ps. they should also add detroyers/merchants that will linger around to pick up survivors. and really HUGE convoys, and i mean 80-100 ships. then imagine about 20-25 subs all descending on them

one can dream though.

dize · 02-07-06, 09:18 AM

well.... im deffo looking forward to another sh game, and being in the pto will of course have its own flavor. no doubt.
my "problem" with seing sh4 developed now, is why oh why they just couldnt do that sh3 finishing add on. i mean, there must be be some left over content on ther hdÂ´s. its so obvious imho, that it even hurts.
they must have some sort of uboat+bdu beta ai somewhere hidden, if not, they would have to develope that anyway for sh4, so whats the deal of implementing that into an addon for sh3? plus i find the limited amount of different merchant shipping avail in sh3 a bit "uninspiring".
all the things that are labeling sh3 as unfinsihed, is needed for a good s4.

02-07-06, 01:09 PM

I agree. While I want to run a U.S. boat again, I really love SHIII, and I hope that anything that is upgraded or fixed for SHIV will be retrofitted to SHIII. I would gladly pay for an SHIII Expansion Pack that includes everything repaired including a proper wolf pack and milk cow function.

FERdeBOER · 02-07-06, 05:33 PM

A question... is not possible a game where you can choose side and/or theatre?

The are many games that allow you that.

Also, is not possible to implement as well the posibility of choosing a destroyer?

Harry Buttle · 02-15-06, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FERdeBOER

A question... is not possible a game where you can choose side and/or theatre?

The are many games that allow you that.

Also, is not possible to implement as well the posibility of choosing a destroyer?

Basically you have asked Ubisoft to develop 4 games and sell them for the price of one.

USN subsim

Jap subsim

USN destroyer sim

Jap destroyer sim

all have very different requirements and would be a virtual 'from scratch' effort.

it can be done, but would cost about 3x as much as doing just one game (allowing for some common work between the 4 games).

02-02-06, 05:36 AM	#37
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And I wanna be an american again... It's been a while since I was an american in WWII... IL2FBA (russian, german) SH3 (german) well, aside from Pacific Fighters... __________________ It takes two to tango

02-07-06, 05:33 PM	#44
FERdeBOER XO Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 431 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 1	A question... is not possible a game where you can choose side and/or theatre? The are many games that allow you that. Also, is not possible to implement as well the posibility of choosing a destroyer? __________________ Hay dos tipos de buques: los submarinos... y los blancos. There are two types of ships: the subs... and the targets.

01-31-06, 08:33 AM	#31
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	just a thought here... the reason why there is so much attention to the 'amount' of action, as opposed to the 'intensity' of the action... probably lies in the fact that there needs to be a lil more first person immersion in the game (uuhh, sorry, sim ) i mean, if you were 'there' instead of being on top of it all with a god's eye perspective, zooming around in fast time, searching for convoys... if you had more sub 'stuff' to do... controlling the sub, standing watch, actually fixing damage and stuff... plus... as i remember it, there was a lot of pacific action in those movies i saw as a kid... Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster sure seemed to have their hands full... and Cary Grant and crew also saw some action as sailed toward Destination Tokyo... http://www.carygrant.net/wavs/destination/tokyomen.wav Glenn Ford and Ernest Bornine also did their thing in the pacific in Torpedo Run... and don't let 'The Duke' hear ya say that there weren't no action during his tour of duty in Operation Pacific... finally... who would not want to experience the voyage of the SS Sea Tiger as they participated in Operation Petticoat... the pacific sub war... hey, it's got a lot to offer Mike

02-01-06, 12:49 AM	#34
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I hope you didn't misunderstand me; my point is the same as yours. When I said "the same ground" I meant it would be silly to do another U-boat sim with the same engine. I want my 'S' boats too. At least they had a deck gun, and no having to wait for calm weather to load external torpedoes. American torpedo faults were almost exactly the same as the Germans'. The difference was US high command refused to believe it, and it wasn't until Admiral Lockwood took over in 1943 that he started to conduct tests which finally led to a solution.

02-05-06, 09:10 PM	#41
supersloth Seaman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: CA, USA Posts: 41 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	how bout an all encompassing game including both atlantic and pacific theaters. but i will agree that i am more into the atlantic side of the war; just something cool about the cold frigid waters of the atlantic. ps. they should also add detroyers/merchants that will linger around to pick up survivors. and really HUGE convoys, and i mean 80-100 ships. then imagine about 20-25 subs all descending on them one can dream though.

02-07-06, 09:18 AM	#42
dize Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: hamburg Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well.... im deffo looking forward to another sh game, and being in the pto will of course have its own flavor. no doubt. my "problem" with seing sh4 developed now, is why oh why they just couldnt do that sh3 finishing add on. i mean, there must be be some left over content on ther hdÂ´s. its so obvious imho, that it even hurts. they must have some sort of uboat+bdu beta ai somewhere hidden, if not, they would have to develope that anyway for sh4, so whats the deal of implementing that into an addon for sh3? plus i find the limited amount of different merchant shipping avail in sh3 a bit "uninspiring". all the things that are labeling sh3 as unfinsihed, is needed for a good s4.

02-07-06, 01:09 PM	#43
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I agree. While I want to run a U.S. boat again, I really love SHIII, and I hope that anything that is upgraded or fixed for SHIV will be retrofitted to SHIII. I would gladly pay for an SHIII Expansion Pack that includes everything repaired including a proper wolf pack and milk cow function.