Is this true that England has 3x the crime rate of the US?

[TLAM Strike]

A few nights ago I saw a story on Dateline or 20/20 about some criminal who was pulled over by the British police. Apparently the Brit Cops didn't carry sidearms and the guy shot both of them. But the cops survived luckly. I guess the Brit Cops don't have Kevlar either?

The average American cop must seem like a comando compaired to one from England... :hmm:

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

A few nights ago I saw a story on Dateline or 20/20 about some criminal who was pulled over by the British police. Apparently the Brit Cops didn't carry sidearms and the guy shot both of them. But the cops survived luckly. I guess the Brit Cops don't have Kevlar either?

The average American cop must seem like a comando compaired to one from England... :hmm:

Nah. They do where body armor though (It is the concealed type so you wouldn't know), but the type of body armor they wear only protects from low velocity pistol fire. It won't stop a rifle cartridge.

-S

PS. For example - my 230 gr .45 Cal travels at almost 900 feet per sec. Most under clothes body armor worth it's salt will stop a FMJ version of this cartridge, albeit with a broken rib or two though. For contrast, my AR-15 fires a 5.56 mm cartridge that is much different - not only is it a steel penetrator, but it also travels in excess of 3,000 feet per sec. Not many types of body armor will stop this thing. Not really any that I can think of. The good news is, a rifle would never be used (or very rarely) in the commision of a crime, so this is not really a factor for our cops.

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One thing that comes to mind - since the US Gov doesn't have reliable figures after 1996 - Did the UK just stop publishing those figures?

-S

[STEED]

How can we trust are leaders

To busy cooking the books (UK saying)

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Originally Posted by STEED

How can we trust are leaders

To busy cooking the books (UK saying)

Not sure that is the case. We publish our crime figures out here, and we have blogs in the local newspapers for what happened in your town crime wise for the week, with the number of car thefts to assaults. Do they do that in the UK?

[STEED]

We publish our crime figures out here

Same here but the problem is the figures are a fiddle

[STEED]

local newspapers for what happened in your town crime wise for the week, with the number of car thefts to assaults

The more violent the crime or shocking it gets in to the local news paper as for weekly figues in your area thats a big no

Ask the Police why they are far to busy giving out speeding tickets to motorise

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Originally Posted by STEED

The more violent the crime or shocking it gets in to the local news paper as for weekly figues in your area thats a big no

Ask the Police why they are far to busy giving out speeding tickets to motorise

The answer is - the motorise (Did I spell it right?) are a source of revenue that they use to operate - something should probably be done about this - ie. give the revenue to the local gov, not the PD. That would make them only give out tickets for not being safe instead of piddly stuff.

I should point out that tickets and revenue for the PD is also a problem over here.

-S

[STEED]

Tony Blair are dum Prime Minister getting tough on crime

Speeding Tickets

Revenue raising

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

My idea is to make a Escape from New Yaork type thing. Take the ****tiest city in the UK. Birmingham or Milto Keynes...buils a 50 foot wall around it and dump them in there.

LMAO
milton keynes for the win! or maybe darlington... :hmm:

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Originally Posted by jumpy

LMAO
milton keynes for the win! or maybe darlington... :hmm:

That wouldn't work - some dumb ass criminal (Or genious criminal as the case may be) will find a way to build some kind of helicopter.

But I'd vote for your idea at least - maybe but an AA battery just to cover this small airspace!

-S

[Onkel Neal]

The difference between Britain and the US is that 90% of our crime is committed by criminals. If we ever locked up all the criminals, we would have very little crime.

*

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

The difference between Britain and the US is that 90% of our crime is committed by criminals. If we ever locked up all the criminals, we would have very little crime.

*

In the UK Prison =Holiday Camp meaning prisoners have more right than the warders here's two examples from last year-

In the Scrubs(famous prison)warders can not come to close to prisoners and must address them as SIR.

A prisoner moaned about sun light was no getting in to his cell due to a windmill one of the sails blocking the light this was soon corrected.


And Prisoners are at this moment trying to over turn the ban that they can not vote while in prison.


I just hope you guys in the USA don't do this sort of thing.

[Onkel Neal]

* I was only joking :P

[XabbaRus]

Also crime runs in families. Well seems to over here with our neds.
Born wearing burberry.
So how about selective breeding?

Or we take the ned population, whole families of them.

Promise them they are getting an all expenses paid cruise to the Bahamas...stick them on the cruise ships. In the middle of the night when they are all getting rat-arsed on Bucky (a cheap alcoholic drink) in the mid atlantic,the crew disembark and our RN submarine crews get to practice shooting torps for real and checking they work.

Your one off cost is outweighted by the savings on benefits.