If we ever get VLS ships, what do you want for the interface

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Apocal

Because, in real life, the SM-1 just wasn't a terribly effective weapon

It is still a whole lot better than nothing.

and cost too much to maintain the support and training pipeline for the one-arm bandit.

With dozens of Perrys still alive?

now, since they got Nulkas on-board.

What Nulka? Looks it up...

Oh, so instead of hard intercepts, they are going to put their prayers in soft defenses. The toy doesn't even have IR jamming. I understand that at least a few SSM and ASMs are incorporating IR/IIR homing as an option... there are also ASMs with passive radar homing capability - that toy might just attract everyone with its jamming - the first wave goes for the toy, but the second wave hits when the jamming goes down and the ship itself is unmasked...

Not to mention according to the site they'd basically be installing it on everyone but the Perrys...

Perrys are supposed to be cheap units, but the men cost as much as the ones anywhere else I would think.

[Kapitan]

the perry frigate is still a good effective unit although age is creaping up on them, i was assigned to U.S.S Robert G Bradley FFG-49 in seawolves so i done some back ground on it.

the units them selves are highly capible ASW units and have limited self defence capibilitys, however they could be compaired to a british type 23 although more modern is the brit ship, they still both have very good uses and the perry should still be active for a while yet.

id hope to see a perry around in 2020 it can be done with tiawan or another 3rd world country so it be nice to see them last.

[Apocal]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

why dont they insert a plug and put VLS missiles in thier only a few that way you could extend the life of the ship another 20 years and have a more modern feel to it.

or replace the lot entirely

The FFGs won't last another 20 years without a major overhaul and the USN isn't going to spend the kind of money for that on a platform who's mission went away with the Cold War.

It is still a whole lot better than nothing.

Not really... even with the CORT upgrades it was only a middling effective against seaskimming missiles, even subsonic ones. And CORT was expensive enough that only eleven (IIRC) FFGs received it along with the SM-1 Blk VI.

With dozens of Perrys still alive?

Yep. Majority of them weren't shooting missiles that could take down any threat imagined. It was in the uncomfortable middle ground of costing what a system should, but not providing the capability a system should. The Underwood types had capability, but keeping the Mk. 13 pipeline open just for them was cost-prohibitive.

What Nulka? Looks it up...

Oh, so instead of hard intercepts, they are going to put their prayers in soft defenses. The toy doesn't even have IR jamming. I understand that at least a few SSM and ASMs are incorporating IR/IIR homing as an option... there are also ASMs with passive radar homing capability - that toy might just attract everyone with its jamming - the first wave goes for the toy, but the second wave hits when the jamming goes down and the ship itself is unmasked...

They still carry flares and they have more than one Nulka onboard. It's an expendable asset, like super rocs. Passive only missiles are easy to deal with by turning off your emitters.

id hope to see a perry around in 2020 it can be done with tiawan or another 3rd world country so it be nice to see them last.

Given that there are still WW2-era Gearing-class destroyers around, I think you'll get your wish of seeing a OHP in 2020.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Oh, so instead of hard intercepts, they are going to put their prayers in soft defenses. The toy doesn't even have IR jamming. I understand that at least a few SSM and ASMs are incorporating IR/IIR homing as an option... there are also ASMs with passive radar homing capability - that toy might just attract everyone with its jamming - the first wave goes for the toy, but the second wave hits when the jamming goes down and the ship itself is unmasked...

Did you know the majority of ASM attacks that have been thwarted were by "Soft Kills"? In the Falklands RN ships both Jammed and Spoofed (chaffed) Exocets, and in Operation Praying Mantis a USN ship (might have been a Fig7) spoofed an Iranian Harpoon with chaff. I think there has been only one hard kill with a SAM in the history of naval warfare (a Type 42 against a Silkworm in the Gulf War). :hmm:

[LuftWolf]

We sure have built a lot of weapons in the past 50 years that have never really been used at all or anywhere near their capacity during actual combat... :hmm:

[RedDevilCG]

Actually, I think that the Victoria Class Diesel SSK would be an insane unit in DW.

Here is a good overview of the boat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Class

Some notes that I found surprising:
-"operation noise while running diesel were comparable to a SSN"!
- Has 6 torpedo tubes armed with the Mk 48 Torp!
- Towed array!
-Mast operation at 12kts

I would take this over any other sub in DW for ocean hunting.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by LuftWolf

We sure have built a lot of weapons in the past 50 years that have never really been used at all or anywhere near their capacity during actual combat... :hmm:

Thats not nessarly a bad thing...

[Mocbo]

Luftwolf:You say a real Word.
None of the VLS Systems or BlockIII Standard Missiles have been used real Combat conditions for multiple Hardkills. The CIWS too.
The Same is it with the whole Russian Big Anti Ship Cruise Missiles.
Only in Games like Harpoon , Fleet Command or DW are used these Weapons . The Real Power signs on a Real Battlefield not in a Game. Only Thomahawks ( TLAM variant) have been used and somtimes the 76 mm Guns on the Ships.
Nor real modern Torpedo has hit a modern Real Sub etc....

The actual Iran Conflict can do to use the Weapons REAL....

Greetings

Moc

[TLAM Strike]

The CIWS has been used in combat; it was the one on an Iowa class battleship. It didn't hit the missile (the bullets hit another US ship ) but the missile was shot down by a RN type 42 DDG.

Modern torpedoes have been used in combat. In the Falklands the ARA San Luis made several attacks on RN warships with no hits. Also the ARA Santa Fe got some homing torpedoes (Stingrays?) from a Wasp shot at it but they only succeeded in forcing the ship to beach when some AS-12 missiles blew a hole in her conning tower. And in the 60-70s a Pakistani sub fired several homing torpedoes on a Indian Frigate with one finally scoring a hit.

[Apocal]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The CIWS has been used in combat; it was the one on an Iowa class battleship. It didn't hit the missile (the bullets hit another US ship ) but the missile was shot down by a RN type 42 DDG.

It hit the super-roc (chaff) fired by the Iowa. Normally, this wouldn't wouldn't happen, but Iowa fired her super-roc in the general direction of a ship which (stupidly) hadn't set firing sectors so CIWS decided it was a threat and blasted it.