War with Iran?

[Skybird]

That interview in the nationalreview says in the last paragraph:
"A few days ago President Ahmadinejad said "we must prepare ourselves to rule the world." And he cheerfully commented on Sharon’s stroke, "The Butcher of Sabra and Shatila has joined his ancestors and others will soon follow suit."

Compare to this:

Some time ago the German newspaper "Die Welt" wrote in an essay:

German:
"Aufschlußreich ist ein Zitat des als "gemäßigt" geltenden Ayatollah Rafsandschani vor vier Jahren, zitiert von Michael Rubin vom "American Enterprise Institute": "Wenn eines Tages auch die islamische Welt über solche Waffen verfügt wie Israel, dann wird die Strategie der Imperialisten zum Stillstand kommen, denn die Kraft selbst einer Atombombe auf Israel würde (dort) alles zerstören. Es ist nicht irrational, eine solche Möglichkeit in Betracht zu ziehen."

English:
Revealing is a quote of Ayatollah Rafsanjani four years ago, who is regarded as a "moderate" (quote is given by Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute): "If one day the Islamic world also possesses these weapons like Israel, then the strategy of the imperialists will come to a standstill, becasue even the power of only one such weapon would destroy all and everything there (in Israel). IT IS NOT IRRATIONAL TO TAKE SUCH A POSSEBILITY INTO ACCOUNT."


And I myself again point to the mission Islam itself is on: and that is securing undisputed ruling of the world and all man, and the overcoming of all infidels and everything that is not Islamic, because only if the total submitting to Islam is enforced, there will be peace. Why I see Islam that way I have explained indepth several weeks ago, I reject to dive deep into that again.

Bomb and Islam: a very explosive mixture. I wonder how things, with regard to global stability and security, would change if in Pakistan Perez Musharaf would get assassinated (what I expect to hear at every day) and the religious opposition would take over. Makes me nervous.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Bomb and Islam: a very explosive mixture. I wonder how things, with regard to global stability and security, would change if in Pakistan Perez Musharaf would get assassinated (what I expect to hear at every day) and the religious opposition would take over. Makes me nervous.

Pervez Musharraf is a muslim which kind of throws a spanner in the works slightly.

[Happy Times]

Best way would keep the Iraqi airspace open for Israelis to go do their thing. Its a nother game if they get the weapons. Israelis cant be excepted to live with threat hanging over them every day. Next the Iranians will go for ICBMs and were all threatened. Time to act is now.

[MadMike]

Risen's claims are BS.
Given the fact that A.Q. Khan readily provided Islamic countries design information (which is rumored to be a Pakistani bomb/warhead based on a Chinese design, which is a copy of an early Russian implosion weapon), the Iranians will have no problem manufacturing a nuke.

Yours, Mike

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That interview in the nationalreview says in the last paragraph:
"A few days ago President Ahmadinejad said "we must prepare ourselves to rule the world." And he cheerfully commented on Sharon’s stroke, "The Butcher of Sabra and Shatila has joined his ancestors and others will soon follow suit."
Compare to this:
Some time ago the German newspaper "Die Welt" wrote:...
Revealing is a quote of Ayatollah Rafsanjani four years ago, who is regarded as a "moderate" (quote is given by Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute): "If one day the Islamic world also possesses these weapons like Israel, then the strategy of the imperialists will come to a standstill, becasue even the power of only one such weapon would destroy all and everything there (in Israel). IT IS NOT IRRATIONAL TO TAKE SUCH A POSSEBILITY INTO ACCOUNT."

And I myself again point to the mission Islam itself is on: and that is securing undisputed ruling of the world and all man, and the overcoming of all infidels and everything that is not Islamic, because only if the total submitting to Islam is enforced, there will be peace. Why I see Islam that way I have explained indepth several weeks ago, I reject to dive deep into that again.

Bomb and Islam: a very explosive mixture. I wonder how things, with regard to global stability and security, would change if in Pakistan Perez Musharaf would get assassinated (what I expect to hear at every day) and the religious opposition would take over. Makes me nervous.

@ Skybird:
Two questions:
1. Does this mean you would support an Israeli or US pre-emptive strike if Iran continues it's current nuclear program unchecked?
2. Could that attack in your opinion be a tactical nuclear strike if a conventional strike would do unsufficient damage?

[SmokinTep]

Stuff is in the works..............can't say much more.

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by SmokinTep

Stuff is in the works..............can't say much more.

Why do you reveal secrets???
You KNOW this kind of remarks draws unwanted NSA attention to Subsim.com!

[Happy Times]

If you really know something you should be ashamed And you should ask Abe to edit it away..

[The Avon Lady]

Naw! He just means he's packing up to move to Tahiti.

[Happy Times]

LOL Or someone else is moving to the Gulf

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

LOL Or someone else is moving to the Gulf

Is everybody starting to reveil confidential information here?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Is everybody starting to reveil confidential information here?

New Top Secret Russian Sub!

Everyone remember this? :hmm:

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Naw! He just means he's packing up to move to Tahiti.

No, to Bikini, together with joea...

Originally Posted by joea

Bikini gooooooooooood.

[Type XXIII]

Originally Posted by Skybird

English:
Revealing is a quote of Ayatollah Rafsanjani four years ago, who is regarded as a "moderate" (quote is given by Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute): "If one day the Islamic world also possesses these weapons like Israel, then the strategy of the imperialists will come to a standstill, becasue even the power of only one such weapon would destroy all and everything there (in Israel). IT IS NOT IRRATIONAL TO TAKE SUCH A POSSEBILITY INTO ACCOUNT."

Where is he intending to aim that nuke to "destroy all and everyone" in Israel? Jerusalem?

Somehow I find it unlikely that a Muslim country would nuke Islam's third holiest city and probably damage or destroy the Dome of the Rock. I can't deny the possibility, but it sounds a tad odd.

(PS. It would be most prudent to add "(emphasis mine)" to that translation.)

[Abraham]

@ Type XXIII:
You don't have to nuke Jerusalem to destroy Israel.
What about nuking Tel Aviv, the main business center, or Haifa, the main industrial center, or even the harbours of Ashdot and Ashkelon...
Nuking those cities - perhaps apart from Tel Aviv - won't really cause major destruction in Jerusalem, certainly not when a nuclear device is not exploded too high in the air.
I can imagine that the Israeli's are worried about developments in Iran.

By the way, the Israeli's decided to build a missile shield after the First Gulf War and a second strike capability through their own little triad: missiles, planes and submarines (that operate routinely in the Indian Ocean near the Arab peninsula).
They have to digest the lessons that history teach them fast and efficient.