PAYWARE or FREEWARE? - Page 3

Kapitan · 01-11-06, 05:35 AM

some times its good to have payware some times not

kiwi_2005 · 01-11-06, 06:52 AM

payware antispyware = spyware. Freeware antispyware is good antispyware. Some payware antispyware when installed will always find spyware on your computer then ask you to pay to get the DL the updates etc., Spybot is known to be one.

Gizzmoe · 01-11-06, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

payware antispyware = spyware. Freeware antispyware is good antispyware. Some payware antispyware when installed will always find spyware on your computer then ask you to pay to get the DL the updates etc., Spybot is known to be one.

Spybot is freeware and doesnÂ´t do what youÂ´ve described.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-11-06, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Marhkimov

Please give me your honest opinions? (And finally, a serious topic from Marhkimov!)

The MOST highly anticipated mod for Combat Flight Simulator 3 is called Over Flanders Fields (OFF). It was over a year in development by regular CFS3 community members. Just recently, the first of their three phases was released... As freeware.

But even more recently, they have announced that their subsequent mods, phases two and three, will be sold as payware. Supposedly, this is to support their server and website budget. Apparently, they don't want to upload their mods to free public servers.

Even if you guys have no care in the world about CFS3 or OFF, what does everyone think about this topic? Payware or Freeware??? And why?

being good buddies with Winding Man from years ago, i can tell you i am not happy about this going PW.

as Mathias Pommerien (groundcrewdesigns) said on netwings, payware is payware.

This mod should go out to all Cfs lovers Freeware, plase 1 to 99 if necessary.

all those who use it (i dont) should have the balls to stand up and pay their share of the bandwith costs, because this is appearently badly needed.

Youngsters could jhust put a five dollar or euro piece of money in an envelope and send to mark in southern africa.

This is bad for OFF, less users will use it, and therefor limits the support OFF gets.
are they cutting the brench of the tree they are sitting on?
dont know.

I am glad to see that the MAW crew will keep their mod it Freeware, and if necessary, i will stand up and send the Maw crew a 50 euro ticket in an envelope.

Payware: no go.

kiwi_2005 · 01-11-06, 12:53 PM

Code:

Spybot is freeware and doesnÂ´t do what youÂ´ve described.[quote]

typo correction, i meant Spyblocker.

I use spybot search & destroy and microsofts Beta 1 Antispyware[/quote]

Abraham · 01-11-06, 03:22 PM

Basically I'm for free mods.
Sailor Steve however described the circumstances under which payware could be acceptable.

But most of all I am gratefull for the mentality of the Subsim modding community - as expressed by Marhkimov earlier in this thread - that contributes a lot to the succes of this site and the games we play.
Thanks guys

TteFAboB · 01-11-06, 03:26 PM

Marhkimov, you created the thread, now you'll have to digest me, I know I don't taste as good as chicken.

It CAN really suck to run into payware, or not! Depends on the payware, if it's not worth it, if the seller is trying to make cheap small profit, then it sucks indeed.

I understand your frustration, but what does the OFF has that other mods can't have? What does the OFF created that you couldn't create? Nothing, if Beery started charging for the RUb package we'd have a freeware clone ready in a couple of weeks at worst, it's all a matter of time, dedication and will.

But, if things went your way, payware wouldn't exist, at least for now, and if your divination is good enough so that you can safely predict how games and mods will work in the future, forever. That means if I ever decided to mod a game, 50% of my options would be automatically excluded, if I could come up with a good payware project, it wouldn't happen, as long as you were dealing the cards, I don't want to be limited only to freeware if I could enjoy the best of both worlds, I don't know what will happen in the next 10 years with games, I don't know what kind of games, what kind of mods will exist, I do not dare to reject payware today.

You cannot see how payware can enhance gameplay to others, even emptying their pocketbooks, fine then, I cannot pull your eye lids open, but if payware is the only way for me to get the most accurate 747 on Flight Simulator, with dozens of unique bells and whistles, fully customizable options/features and tech support, I'm willing to pay for it, between no 747 like that, and a payware version, I'll take the payware and be glad when the group start releasing other planes with the same high level of quality, the other option is to spend $1000+ per hour, scheduled, on a real simulator, and though it's great to swing around in those things (do not miss a chance if you ever get one), Flight Simulator has better graphics. :rotfl:

What I don't understand is why so much nitpicking with payware, it's money, it's a mod, for a game, why this obsession with money? That's the ultimate contradiction, isn't it obvious a freeware mod is usually a small piece of what will later be a greater mod, a greater project, and a payware mod is usually an attempt at profit? And like Sailor Steve said it has to be "big" to be worth it. This is very bland, very general, but the fact is most decent payware exist on games that were tailored for them, such as Flight Simulator, most payware mods for Flight Simulator are built from scratch, the whole thing is new content, but for most games, payware is the exception and not the rule, because for a mod to be worth half the price or the full price of a new game, it has to have decent new content.

So, I don't think running into payware sucks, I don't think spending a little money sucks because money goes around in circles, every dollar I spend returns me, every dollar I spend nicely returns to me in double, I don't want to hold every single bill that lands on my hands with a strong, firm grasp to take dust on my wallet, I want to let my money dance on the global financial ballet, I want to be part of it, let it flow, let it go, new money is printed all the time, money itself, the paper, is worthless, if you deserve it, if you earn it, money comes back, new money comes in.

It's great that you found something that pleases you and are so determined, but many paywares of the past became freewares today, in the end, you will be remembered for the mods you made and for the satisfaction you brought to the games, if somehow you find yourself in a situation where your only option is a payware, I really believe you should take the opportunity and make the mod anyway, if you get any real money out of it, you can always donate it to subsim and support freewares for the next generation of sub sims!

Marhkimov · 01-11-06, 10:15 PM

Actually, I don't play online. Every game I play, it's always singleplayer for me.

And I really hate CFS3. It's horrible compared to IL2. Dang, and OFF was so promising, but I don't think I'll continue to play it... Not because it's payware... But because it runs on the CFS3 engine.... YUK!!!

I'm more interested in a brand new WWI fighter sim coming out, based on Oleg's IL2 engine. There are some pre-alpha stage pictures out, and so far the game looks phenominal.

See for yourself: http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500

OT, but I just got home from EB Games and Best Buys, and could not find one copy of Pacific Fighters... Aw horse sh!t... It turns out that it's been discontinued. CRAP CRAP CRAP!!

Anyone know where I can get a copy? I don't want to buy it online either...

CCIP · 01-11-06, 11:04 PM

Ack, my local store has about a dozen copies still lying around at a low price, but I think it's just a local thing

HundertzehnGustav · 01-14-06, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marhkimov

Anyone know where I can get a copy? I don't want to buy it online either...

saw one copy today... in french.

my "yankee Friends" over often to a store chain over in "yankee country"... its name is CompUSA

would that be a idea?

Marhkimov · 01-14-06, 12:49 PM

Not at EB Games.
Not at Best Buys.
Not at Target.
Not at Circuit City.

I went to Walmart and found 2 copies of PF. I was so thrilled to find it that I bought myself a bonus game, Lock OnL Modern Air Combat.

As you can see, I think I'm in love with Ubisoft products.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-14-06, 01:22 PM

OMG you poor bugger...

i got lomac too but...

i didnt know i CAN NOT fly the F 18 Hornet

and that i need to push a combo of about a zillion buttions to make a Gatling gun shoot...

BEURK too techno for me...

back to Il2FBAEPPF 402 and use the A-20 Havoc and FW 190...

and the beaufighter in anti sub missions....

:rotfl:

yar im a damn Traitor i no....

HundertzehnGustav · 01-14-06, 01:24 PM

WTF i am NOT stinking drunk in trinidad.
i dont drink not stink nor smoke.

these avatars are creezy...

but i wouldnt mind doing a trip to trinidad right now.. freezing cold in here...

and now i am WEPS... whats that supposed to mean?

aah unkle neal wtf???

em2nought · 01-16-06, 03:11 AM

I like the fact that there might be a few WWI mods worth paying for. I use the WWI mod for FS:SDOE and I'd actually pay for it if I had to. Maybe mainstream gaming will notice that people are paying for WWI mods for flight sims. Maybe the WWI sim using the IL2 engine will even get completed. The last three WWI flight sims(17 Hours, Birds of Prey, and Knights over Europe) that I wanted never made it out the door.

01-11-06, 05:35 AM	#31
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	some times its good to have payware some times not __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

01-11-06, 06:52 AM	#32
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	payware antispyware = spyware. Freeware antispyware is good antispyware. Some payware antispyware when installed will always find spyware on your computer then ask you to pay to get the DL the updates etc., Spybot is known to be one. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

01-11-06, 12:53 PM	#35
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Code: Spybot is freeware and doesnÂ´t do what youÂ´ve described.[quote] typo correction, i meant Spyblocker. I use spybot search & destroy and microsofts Beta 1 Antispyware[/quote] __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

01-11-06, 03:22 PM	#36
Abraham Eternal Patrol Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	PAYWARE or FREEWARE? Basically I'm for free mods. Sailor Steve however described the circumstances under which payware could be acceptable. But most of all I am gratefull for the mentality of the Subsim modding community - as expressed by Marhkimov earlier in this thread - that contributes a lot to the succes of this site and the games we play. Thanks guys __________________ RIP Abraham

01-11-06, 10:15 PM	#38
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, I don't play online. Every game I play, it's always singleplayer for me. And I really hate CFS3. It's horrible compared to IL2. Dang, and OFF was so promising, but I don't think I'll continue to play it... Not because it's payware... But because it runs on the CFS3 engine.... YUK!!! I'm more interested in a brand new WWI fighter sim coming out, based on Oleg's IL2 engine. There are some pre-alpha stage pictures out, and so far the game looks phenominal. See for yourself: http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500 OT, but I just got home from EB Games and Best Buys, and could not find one copy of Pacific Fighters... Aw horse sh!t... It turns out that it's been discontinued. CRAP CRAP CRAP!! Anyone know where I can get a copy? I don't want to buy it online either... __________________ It takes two to tango

01-11-06, 03:26 PM	#37
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Marhkimov, you created the thread, now you'll have to digest me, I know I don't taste as good as chicken. It CAN really suck to run into payware, or not! Depends on the payware, if it's not worth it, if the seller is trying to make cheap small profit, then it sucks indeed. I understand your frustration, but what does the OFF has that other mods can't have? What does the OFF created that you couldn't create? Nothing, if Beery started charging for the RUb package we'd have a freeware clone ready in a couple of weeks at worst, it's all a matter of time, dedication and will. But, if things went your way, payware wouldn't exist, at least for now, and if your divination is good enough so that you can safely predict how games and mods will work in the future, forever. That means if I ever decided to mod a game, 50% of my options would be automatically excluded, if I could come up with a good payware project, it wouldn't happen, as long as you were dealing the cards, I don't want to be limited only to freeware if I could enjoy the best of both worlds, I don't know what will happen in the next 10 years with games, I don't know what kind of games, what kind of mods will exist, I do not dare to reject payware today. You cannot see how payware can enhance gameplay to others, even emptying their pocketbooks, fine then, I cannot pull your eye lids open, but if payware is the only way for me to get the most accurate 747 on Flight Simulator, with dozens of unique bells and whistles, fully customizable options/features and tech support, I'm willing to pay for it, between no 747 like that, and a payware version, I'll take the payware and be glad when the group start releasing other planes with the same high level of quality, the other option is to spend $1000+ per hour, scheduled, on a real simulator, and though it's great to swing around in those things (do not miss a chance if you ever get one), Flight Simulator has better graphics. :rotfl: What I don't understand is why so much nitpicking with payware, it's money, it's a mod, for a game, why this obsession with money? That's the ultimate contradiction, isn't it obvious a freeware mod is usually a small piece of what will later be a greater mod, a greater project, and a payware mod is usually an attempt at profit? And like Sailor Steve said it has to be "big" to be worth it. This is very bland, very general, but the fact is most decent payware exist on games that were tailored for them, such as Flight Simulator, most payware mods for Flight Simulator are built from scratch, the whole thing is new content, but for most games, payware is the exception and not the rule, because for a mod to be worth half the price or the full price of a new game, it has to have decent new content. So, I don't think running into payware sucks, I don't think spending a little money sucks because money goes around in circles, every dollar I spend returns me, every dollar I spend nicely returns to me in double, I don't want to hold every single bill that lands on my hands with a strong, firm grasp to take dust on my wallet, I want to let my money dance on the global financial ballet, I want to be part of it, let it flow, let it go, new money is printed all the time, money itself, the paper, is worthless, if you deserve it, if you earn it, money comes back, new money comes in. It's great that you found something that pleases you and are so determined, but many paywares of the past became freewares today, in the end, you will be remembered for the mods you made and for the satisfaction you brought to the games, if somehow you find yourself in a situation where your only option is a payware, I really believe you should take the opportunity and make the mod anyway, if you get any real money out of it, you can always donate it to subsim and support freewares for the next generation of sub sims!

01-11-06, 11:04 PM	#39
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Ack, my local store has about a dozen copies still lying around at a low price, but I think it's just a local thing __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-14-06, 12:49 PM	#41
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not at EB Games. Not at Best Buys. Not at Target. Not at Circuit City. I went to Walmart and found 2 copies of PF. I was so thrilled to find it that I bought myself a bonus game, Lock OnL Modern Air Combat. As you can see, I think I'm in love with Ubisoft products. __________________ It takes two to tango

01-14-06, 01:22 PM	#42
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	OMG you poor bugger... i got lomac too but... i didnt know i CAN NOT fly the F 18 Hornet and that i need to push a combo of about a zillion buttions to make a Gatling gun shoot... BEURK too techno for me... back to Il2FBAEPPF 402 and use the A-20 Havoc and FW 190... and the beaufighter in anti sub missions.... :rotfl: yar im a damn Traitor i no.... __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-14-06, 01:24 PM	#43
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	WTF i am NOT stinking drunk in trinidad. i dont drink not stink nor smoke. these avatars are creezy... but i wouldnt mind doing a trip to trinidad right now.. freezing cold in here... and now i am WEPS... whats that supposed to mean? aah unkle neal wtf??? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-16-06, 03:11 AM	#44
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I like the fact that there might be a few WWI mods worth paying for. I use the WWI mod for FS:SDOE and I'd actually pay for it if I had to. Maybe mainstream gaming will notice that people are paying for WWI mods for flight sims. Maybe the WWI sim using the IL2 engine will even get completed. The last three WWI flight sims(17 Hours, Birds of Prey, and Knights over Europe) that I wanted never made it out the door. __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!