Fastest SSK - Page 3

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 05:28 PM

Nautilus' near sister Seawolf went to sea with a Liquid Metal Reactor decades before the Russians did (and they got rid of the things decades before the Russians did!

) Also the Skate class (which I think you need to compare the Novembers too not the Nautilus/Seawolf class) was almost as heavily armed (I've seen Novs listed as having 8 or 10 tubes and Skates having 6 to 8 tubes. So I picked the low November number and the high Skate number.) Also just a year after the 1st Novembers entered service we had the 1st Skipjacks and four years later we had Thresher/Permit class boats (Novembers were still being built at this time, and it would be 5 years before the first Victors I were built). Yea our 1st few boats werenâ€™t as powerful but we were building more powerful boats already, and the Thresher/Permit practically made the November an antique.

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 05:49 PM

although fairly true you americans antiqued some of our boats but the novembers hull design was alot more efficent that her counter part the nautilus the november wasnt designed to intercept submarines at all she was to intercept surface vessels and have a limited ASW role.

the november from the top of my head i may be wrong cause been a while had 8 tubes and 34 realoads more than nautilus or skate or seawolf these were the subs of the 1st generation.
you quote subs of the 2nd

the victors were built to match the skipjack and victor 2 thresher permit the 3rd generation victor 3 was to take on the 688 and 1st batch of akula 688i the sevdvinsk is to take on the seawolf and viginia thats how its done

you confused generation timeline easy mistake but the november was no brick infact far from it.

today we have more weapons and speed and depth but you guys still got the tech and silencing which at the end of the day is more important so your subs are still more advanced than russians

Drebbel · 12-14-05, 06:19 PM

How about this one ?

210 km/h / 130 mph

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/660-3.jpg

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 06:32 PM

The thing is the US was already done with the 1st Generation when the Russians were just getting started and when they started the 2nd Generation we were starting the 3rd. I'm not comparing Generations I'm comparing ships commissioned at the same time...

Nautilus 1954 1st
Sailfish 1956 1st
Seawolf 1957 1st
Skate 1957 1st
NOVEMBER 1958 1st
Skipjack 1959 2nd
Triton 1959 1st?
George Washington 1959 2nd
Halibut 1960 1st
Tullibee 1960 2nd
HOTEL 1960 1st
ECHO I 1960 1st
Thresher 1961 2nd
Ethan Allen 1961 2.5th?
Lafayette 1963 3rd
Sturgeon 1967 3rd
YANKEE I 1967 2nd
VICTOR I 1968 2nd

As you can see the Novembers end up being not just the counterpart to the Nautilus/Seawolf/etc but the Skipjacks and the Threshers. In fact it could be argued that Nautilus, Seawolf, Sailfish, Skate, Triton and Halibut classes were not 1st generation nuke boats but the last of the post WWII generation conventional boats fitted with nuclear reactors this is very true of Halibut and Skate classes. With Halibut being a nuc version of the Grayback class and Skate being a nuc version of the Tang class. Nautilus and Seawolf could be considered part of the GUPPY/Tang design family like Skate along with the Darter, T-1, Trition, and Sailfish class.

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 06:38 PM

george washington was 1st generation she was the first SSBN of america

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 06:45 PM

But she was a Skipjack with 16 missile tubes.

So she is eather a 2nd gen boat or the Skipjacks are 1st genration... :hmm:

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 06:49 PM

classified by USN and janes as 1st ethan allen and laffyette 2nd i think u posted

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 06:53 PM

Well then Skipjack is a 1st gen by default. So the November is also a counterpart to the Skipjack, which in that case she is quite out classed...

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 07:09 PM

skipjacks could dive to only 1,300 feet and speed of 30 knots so they were en par but only had 4 tubes

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 09:28 PM

No skipjacks had six tubes armed with MK 37 (later MK 48) and MK 45 ASTOR torpedoes...

In this photo you can clearly see the two Starboard Tubes and the two Centerline Tubes (the two port tubes are out of the field of view)

(photo of Scamp SSN-588)

Also I have heard some former Skipjack sailors saying their speed was closer to 40 knots!

Kapitan · 12-15-05, 02:37 AM

who knows what speed they were at still classified i think isnt it ?

skipjacks were noisey even the americans said that but its the russians who are on the 4th and in some parts 5th generation submarines now.

borey is the 4th and sevdvinsk will be the 5th and lada amur will be 5th.

some american submarines had a nice look about them but you got to admit they are very plane, unlike the russian ones that comes in all shapes and sizes

TLAM Strike · 12-15-05, 11:45 AM

Yea after 1965 US submarines stared looking likeâ€¦ generic. The Russians may not build them safe, or quiet but they sure build them purdy.

BTW US Subs are on the 6th generation with the VA. :P

I-25 · 12-15-05, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain

fastest submarine : russian alfa class SSN 45 knots

fastest SSK: as bill said albacore

Right fastest SSN but not Fastest that whould be the russian Papa SSGN

Kapitan · 12-15-05, 05:17 PM

no

papa hit 44.7 knots alfa exceaded that and hit 45 knots making it the fastest SSN ever know

Takeda Shingen · 12-15-05, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain

some american submarines had a nice look about them but you got to admit they are very plane, unlike the russian ones that comes in all shapes and sizes

And sounds.

12-14-05, 05:28 PM	#31
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Nautilus' near sister Seawolf went to sea with a Liquid Metal Reactor decades before the Russians did (and they got rid of the things decades before the Russians did! ) Also the Skate class (which I think you need to compare the Novembers too not the Nautilus/Seawolf class) was almost as heavily armed (I've seen Novs listed as having 8 or 10 tubes and Skates having 6 to 8 tubes. So I picked the low November number and the high Skate number.) Also just a year after the 1st Novembers entered service we had the 1st Skipjacks and four years later we had Thresher/Permit class boats (Novembers were still being built at this time, and it would be 5 years before the first Victors I were built). Yea our 1st few boats werenâ€™t as powerful but we were building more powerful boats already, and the Thresher/Permit practically made the November an antique. __________________

12-14-05, 05:49 PM	#32
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	although fairly true you americans antiqued some of our boats but the novembers hull design was alot more efficent that her counter part the nautilus the november wasnt designed to intercept submarines at all she was to intercept surface vessels and have a limited ASW role. the november from the top of my head i may be wrong cause been a while had 8 tubes and 34 realoads more than nautilus or skate or seawolf these were the subs of the 1st generation. you quote subs of the 2nd the victors were built to match the skipjack and victor 2 thresher permit the 3rd generation victor 3 was to take on the 688 and 1st batch of akula 688i the sevdvinsk is to take on the seawolf and viginia thats how its done you confused generation timeline easy mistake but the november was no brick infact far from it. today we have more weapons and speed and depth but you guys still got the tech and silencing which at the end of the day is more important so your subs are still more advanced than russians __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-14-05, 06:32 PM	#34
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	The thing is the US was already done with the 1st Generation when the Russians were just getting started and when they started the 2nd Generation we were starting the 3rd. I'm not comparing Generations I'm comparing ships commissioned at the same time... Nautilus 1954 1st Sailfish 1956 1st Seawolf 1957 1st Skate 1957 1st NOVEMBER 1958 1st Skipjack 1959 2nd Triton 1959 1st? George Washington 1959 2nd Halibut 1960 1st Tullibee 1960 2nd HOTEL 1960 1st ECHO I 1960 1st Thresher 1961 2nd Ethan Allen 1961 2.5th? Lafayette 1963 3rd Sturgeon 1967 3rd YANKEE I 1967 2nd VICTOR I 1968 2nd As you can see the Novembers end up being not just the counterpart to the Nautilus/Seawolf/etc but the Skipjacks and the Threshers. In fact it could be argued that Nautilus, Seawolf, Sailfish, Skate, Triton and Halibut classes were not 1st generation nuke boats but the last of the post WWII generation conventional boats fitted with nuclear reactors this is very true of Halibut and Skate classes. With Halibut being a nuc version of the Grayback class and Skate being a nuc version of the Tang class. Nautilus and Seawolf could be considered part of the GUPPY/Tang design family like Skate along with the Darter, T-1, Trition, and Sailfish class. __________________

12-14-05, 06:38 PM	#35
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	george washington was 1st generation she was the first SSBN of america __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-14-05, 06:45 PM	#36
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	But she was a Skipjack with 16 missile tubes. So she is eather a 2nd gen boat or the Skipjacks are 1st genration... :hmm: __________________

12-14-05, 06:19 PM	#33
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	How about this one ? 210 km/h / 130 mph http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/660-3.jpg

12-14-05, 06:49 PM	#37
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	classified by USN and janes as 1st ethan allen and laffyette 2nd i think u posted __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-14-05, 06:53 PM	#38
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Well then Skipjack is a 1st gen by default. So the November is also a counterpart to the Skipjack, which in that case she is quite out classed... __________________

12-14-05, 07:09 PM	#39
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	skipjacks could dive to only 1,300 feet and speed of 30 knots so they were en par but only had 4 tubes __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-14-05, 09:28 PM	#40
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	No skipjacks had six tubes armed with MK 37 (later MK 48) and MK 45 ASTOR torpedoes... In this photo you can clearly see the two Starboard Tubes and the two Centerline Tubes (the two port tubes are out of the field of view) (photo of Scamp SSN-588) Also I have heard some former Skipjack sailors saying their speed was closer to 40 knots! __________________

12-15-05, 02:37 AM	#41
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	who knows what speed they were at still classified i think isnt it ? skipjacks were noisey even the americans said that but its the russians who are on the 4th and in some parts 5th generation submarines now. borey is the 4th and sevdvinsk will be the 5th and lada amur will be 5th. some american submarines had a nice look about them but you got to admit they are very plane, unlike the russian ones that comes in all shapes and sizes __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-15-05, 11:45 AM	#42
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Yea after 1965 US submarines stared looking likeâ€¦ generic. The Russians may not build them safe, or quiet but they sure build them purdy. BTW US Subs are on the 6th generation with the VA. :P __________________

12-15-05, 05:17 PM	#44
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	no papa hit 44.7 knots alfa exceaded that and hit 45 knots making it the fastest SSN ever know __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/