ATMOSPHERE MOD SUCCESS!!!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

There is a slight problem with the original DL. Somehow the scene.dat used included timetraveller's 1.25x waves.

This has been corrected in the Atmosphere Mod DL post with a new link which I will repeat here.

http://rapidshare.de/files/6991842/1..._1_.0.rar.html

My sincerest apologies if this caused anyone trouble. I have no idea HOW it happened since I don't use the larger wave mods.
(It did look cool though!)

[oRGy]

Maybe you used the IuB scene.dat as a base? I include the 1.25x waves in IuB. (It's sort of necessary to expand the range of the sea to something approaching realistic storms)

[Kaleunt]

The snorkel and sonar fixes from Jungmann are part of the AI_Sensor.dat file not the Sensors.dat wich regulate the capabilities of the sensors of your own boat. Using the corresponding files from RUB (8km standard visibility) or IUB (16km visibilty) the fixes are yet included, AI_Sonar fix and Snorkel fix integrated in the AI_Sensors.dat file, Radar fix and RWR fix integrated in the Sensors.Dat file. If you use the Sensors.dat file from Sergbuto you will obtain all the reflexions fixes but you will loose the benefits of the radar fix and RWR fix as well as the benefits of the 16km
visibility capabilty. If i'm wrong correct me, please,
the ultimate goal being to achieve a coeherent mod.

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by marhkimov

Serg's new u-boat reflections v2.0 is out and it also includes sensors.dat. Since Serg made his fix on the default sensors.dat, we are going to have to upgrade the sensors.dat from our own atmospheric mod...


Our sensors include Jungman's AI sonar fix (ASW sonar loses track of sub < 200m) and snorkel detection fix.

Did you used the old <200m one (i preffer it) or the most recent <150m ?

I had installed the new Sergbuto files, all but the sensors.dat, because i do not want to losse the Jungman's and Ortegas changes.

The effect is you do not have reflections or wakes from the snorkel mast, the others works fine.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Kaleunt

The snorkel and sonar fixes from Jungmann are part of the AI_Sensor.dat file not the Sensors.dat wich regulate the capabilities of the sensors of your own boat. Using the corresponding files from RUB (8km standard visibility) or IUB (16km visibilty) the fixes are yet included, AI_Sonar fix and Snorkel fix integrated in the AI_Sensors.dat file, Radar fix and RWR fix integrated in the Sensors.Dat file. If you use the Sensors.dat file from Sergbuto you will obtain all the reflexions fixes but you will loose the benefits of the radar fix and RWR fix as well as the benefits of the 16km
visibility capabilty. If i'm wrong correct me, please,
the ultimate goal being to achieve a coeherent mod.

At the moment... if you feel or see that there are conflicts, you will have to make a personal choice.

Jungman has stated that he will re-do the sensors files after he finishes his damage mod... which will require further adjustments.

Marhkimov and I will look into integrating as much as possible... but this will take time.

Often in SH3, multiple functions may use the same file... which makes modding very difficult.

As the original post stated, this is the base from which we will branch out to tie relevant things together... but once again this will take time.

[rulle34]

Originally Posted by Kaleunt

The snorkel and sonar fixes from Jungmann are part of the AI_Sensor.dat file not the Sensors.dat wich regulate the capabilities of the sensors of your own boat. Using the corresponding files from RUB (8km standard visibility) or IUB (16km visibilty) the fixes are yet included, AI_Sonar fix and Snorkel fix integrated in the AI_Sensors.dat file, Radar fix and RWR fix integrated in the Sensors.Dat file. If you use the Sensors.dat file from Sergbuto you will obtain all the reflexions fixes but you will loose the benefits of the radar fix and RWR fix as well as the benefits of the 16km
visibility capabilty. If i'm wrong correct me, please,
the ultimate goal being to achieve a coeherent mod.

You are right in this Kaleunt
I think it's more important now than ever to keep in mind what files has what kind of modifications. Otherwise it's quite easy happen that you install a mod, perhaps change one file, it screws up, and blame comes on the mod itself.

My proposal is that the mod goes as "clean"as possible.
Then if someone wants 1,25 or 1,5 big waves, use Timetraveller's tool and set what kind of waves you like. About the murkiness in water, use SH 3 commander and change it to the value you like.

Then my next proposal and wish would be if some god modder (or programmer) could put a "SH 3 TOOL" that could do all this tweakings in the same tool. This will hold down the number of variants of the mods. This is important now when mods become more and more complicated.

The "Read me" should also be more informative. Take RUb as a good example. A simple list on what changes respond to what specific file/-es makes it easy not to do the common mistake by "touch" a file without spoiling something else in the mod.

I need to improve this myself. So I don't want to sit here and shoot a canon in a house of glass :rotfl: (Swedish proverb)

Don't take this as some correction to someone, it's just a suggestion of development and one way to keep modifications clean and easy to make your own changes.

What is your opinion in this suggestion?

[Marhkimov]

Oh ok, it is 'AI_sensors.dat' that holds all of the sonar and snorkel settings. It is 'sensor.dat' that holds the u-boat sightseeing capabilities. My mistake for confusing the two...

So who is the God programmer that will make us our SH3 God TOOL? timetraveller could always "whip" out a newer edition of his tool, but does he even play anymore? Someone else could try... We normal people should be able to edit AI_sensors and sensors.dat on our own.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Panama_Red]

rulle34:
When I go to timetravaler's site, all I find is his modified "scene.dat" files that have the waves preset at 1.25, 1.50 or 2.00. I did not find a tool to modify an existing "scene.dat" file like SH3 Commander modifing the water clarity.

Do you have such a tool ???

[rulle34]

Originally Posted by Panama Red

rulle34:
When I go to timetravaler's site, all I find is his modified "scene.dat" files that have the waves preset at 1.25, 1.50 or 2.00. I did not find a tool to modify an existing "scene.dat" file like SH3 Commander modifing the water clarity.

Do you have such a tool ???

Hello Panama red

If you download Timetravellers "SH 3 Inspector tool", open the program (after installing it) and click on the tab "misc"
There you have an option to set wave height your self.
There is also values set for 1.25, 1,5 etc, but as I can see you can set any value you want

[Panama_Red]

rulle34:
Thanks, I will try it tonight when I get home.

[rulle34]

Originally Posted by marhkimov

So who is the God programmer that will make us our SH3 God TOOL? timetraveller could always "whip" out a newer edition of his tool, but does he even play anymore? Someone else could try... We normal people should be able to edit AI_sensors and sensors.dat on our own.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Lets put this out in a new thread. Maybe someone will make a try for it?

An please put up some whises you want this tool to perform.

As I can see this tool must be updated when new mods and features will pop up :hmm:

[sultanoswing]

Switching back to beery's water is fine and all...

BUT...

doing so will likely give you unwanted side-effects. Can you explain in more details how you swapped to Beery's water?

I have to admit, I just simply swapped out the 3 'EnvColors_*.dat' files from RuB. While I didn't notice any problems, unfortunately the fishbowl remained. Hmmmm.

SoS

[Marhkimov]

Originally Posted by sultanoswing

I have to admit, I just simply swapped out the 3 'EnvColors_*.dat' files from RuB. While I didn't notice any problems, unfortunately the fishbowl remained. Hmmmm.

SoS

As far as I know, 'EnvColor_*.dat' files can be totally interchangeable. No side-effects here...

But as for the 'SkyColor_*.dat' files, you MUST use the .dat files from the atmospheric mod in order for everything to work properly. If you decide you would like to use beery's colors, you must use a DATextractor tool and extract the .tga files from beery's SkyColors and insert them into the .dat files of the atmospheric mod. Not doing this will probably lead to the black skies that people are reporting...

[Syxx_Killer]

With all these new mods coming out at once like wildfire I have literally become quite lost. This mod changes the Sensor.DAT file, right? I use Jungman's Sensor Pack. I need the Sensor file from that mod because it fixes the snorkels. Can Jungman's Sensor file be made compatible with this mod?

If anyone wants to take a look at it here it is:

http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php...c58e62a3acca81

[rulle34]

Originally Posted by Syxx_Killer

With all these new mods coming out at once like wildfire I have literally become quite lost. This mod changes the Sensor.DAT file, right? I use Jungman's Sensor Pack. I need the Sensor file from that mod because it fixes the snorkels. Can Jungman's Sensor file be made compatible with this mod?

If anyone wants to take a look at it here it is:

http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php...c58e62a3acca81

Hello Syxx_Killer

You don't have to worry
Just to sort this out:
1.Jungmans snorchel fix and also the über DD fix is in "AI_sensors.dat"
2.Visibility mod and environmental mod is based on "Sensors.dat" "Scene.dat" and "sky/env dat files". Just use Jungmans Ai_sensors.dat together with environmental or just visibility mod and all is just fine.
3. In Jungmans Sensor pak you find the file "Sensors.dat" In that file is Jungmans "RF_Detect Mod" These values is now merged in to the 16km visibility mod by Jungman himself and now also includes in the new "environmental mod" who is based on the 16km visibility mod.

I hope It helped

Maybe the new "environmental mod" should include Jungmans snorchel fix and DD fix to avoid confusion?