Ship Models - request/development - Page 3

iambecomelife · 09-22-05, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

As much fun as the USS Texas might be (Yes, I have visted that and all the other battleships) I would prefer a bunch of new merchant ships; 500,700 and 1,000 tons and all kinds in between what we now have so a 40 ship convoy does not have but one model of each. A few Brit cruisers, sure and a Vosper instead of the Elco as well as (at least) surfaced Brit sub targets (prefer submergible but don't dare dream too much)
The day to day combat against convoys is where I would prefer the effort be made and not a piece of eye candy I may never ever see. (I have yet to even see the Bismarck, Victorious or a KGV, and caught a glimps of a Nelson once since April playing almost every day) yet I was updating their skins constantly!!! :rotfl:

Wulfmann

Regarding other ships, I'm about to release the Hospital Ship that I started several months ago. Thanks to sansal I was able to give it a unique hex ID and avoid the CTD's it had caused earlier. It doesn't incorporate any structural changes but I think it's a nice addition, anyway...

AG124 · 09-22-05, 08:51 PM

Yes, I was thinking myself that a hospital ship would be a good addition, and it wouldn't need any structural changes at all IMO. It shouldn't be armed though. Which ship will it be - The Passenger Liner, the Troop Transport, or Serg's Transport? If there was a separate one for Allied nations, you could give it 0 renown so that we're not rewarded for sinking one, although loss of renown might be better.

BTW - Speaking of the Bermuda Triangle, wasn't the Marine Suphur Queen, which supposidely vanished without a trace, found last year? Last I heard, it was yet to be confirmed, as the wreck may have been WW2 era. We don't need to add the MSQ to the game though, she's already there

. (T2 tanker).

AG124 · 09-22-05, 09:01 PM

Forgot to mention, I've never found a single site on the Nereus and Proteus. I have a picture of each (a stern shot and a bow shot) in an old and out of print book called the Devil's Triangle (try to guess what it's about

). The pictures are captionned as belonging to the US Navy.

No I don't think they were sunk by U boats (if they were, imagine the tonnage though

) - if they had been, there would probably have been some record and no U boats were in the area anyway. I guess it's possible though.

As for sinking bulk carriers in modern times, one actually broke in two and sank (the MV Flare) near St. John's Newfoundland, the province where I live, several years ago. The footage was used in the movie Godzilla, in the scene where the French "insurance agents" (French Foreign Legion) are interviewing the sole survivor, I think (on the TV in the room).

Wulfmann · 09-22-05, 09:50 PM

Nice models, very nice.

BTW, the Arizona is sister to the Pennsylvania and the Nevada is sister to the Oklahoma, so there would only be one ship to model per class.
Most of the older battleships were rebuilt and did not re-enter service until mid 1944. Although a few undamaged were on defensive patrols as back up behind the fleet at Midway or the Aleutians, like Colorado and Pennsylvania. A few old ones showed up at Normandy for shore pounding, a job they were well suited too. Nevada, Texas and the ancient Arkansas were there.
The Texas and New York were used as convoy escorts on the mid Atlantic convoys (New York-Casablanca) and being sisters this might be the only logical one (Nevada was briefly used as well) for SH3.

Wulfmann

Woof1701 · 09-23-05, 03:22 AM

About the Hospital Ships:

Wouldn't it be possible to make every Hospital ship an Axis ship, and thus every player attacking one would get negative renown? My only concern is, that the ship might be sunk by the convoy escorts in turn :hmm:

iambecomelife · 09-23-05, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woof1701

About the Hospital Ships:

Wouldn't it be possible to make every Hospital ship an Axis ship, and thus every player attacking one would get negative renown? My only concern is, that the ship might be sunk by the convoy escorts in turn :hmm:

I have the whole renown thing sorted out too; it's worth -10000. Unfortunately there's no way to get the ingame ships and aircraft to respect the Geneva Conventions; however, it can spawn as a friendly, allied, or neutral unit. In a future version I may create a unique "Red Cross" nationality that is always neutral and thus safe from AI attacks .

A Swedish example in a German port at the outbreak of WWII. I sank her as a test to see if I would receive the appropriate penalty, and I did, although it was a bit less than what I wanted (-1500 renown).

iambecomelife · 09-23-05, 05:26 AM

@ AG124: Here's a good page on the "Flare", with a link to the Canadian government's report: http://www.ndtcabin.com/articles/flare/flare1.php

re: the Sulphur Queen: Marine Transport Lines has always been regarded as a sketchy company. In 1983 they also lost the "Marine Electric" with three survivors out of a 30-plus man crew. I guess they thought it was a good idea to take a 39-y/o converted T-2 into an East Coast winter storm

.

Anyway, some more shots of the mod:

AG124 · 09-23-05, 05:36 AM

A "red cross" nationality would be a good idea. For now, this will do very well, though, I think.

Shadow9216 · 09-23-05, 09:33 AM

Can you make a hospital ship out of a Liberty? I know there were several converted during the war...

iambecomelife · 09-23-05, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow9216

Can you make a hospital ship out of a Liberty? I know there were several converted during the war...

That would be an interesting project, but I don't think I'll do that for now. I already have one ship class as a hospital ship, and creating liberty hospital ships might make them artificially common. Maybe after we create lots of additional merchant classes so that any given vessel is less likely to be a hospital ship. BTW, the mod's done, as you can see...

pampanito · 09-23-05, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124

Forgot to mention, I've never found a single site on the Nereus and Proteus.

Hello,
take a look at this:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/0210.htm (with photos)
http://www.numa.net/expeditions/cyclops.html

It seems the wreck of CYCLOPS, NEREUS or PROTEUS could have been found. The article attributes the loss of Nereus and Proteus to German U-boats.

Concerning the loss of these two ships, is it possible that North Atlantic weather was unusually bad during the end of November/start of December 1941? I say this because it's surprising that of the very few merchantmen sunk by U-boats from 11 November to 2 December 1941 (just six ships), no less than three (a 50%) were lost without trace. In fact, the attribution of these sinkings to individual U-boats is more or less based in circumstancial grounds.
MERIDIAN (5592 grt) was last seen by HMCS CHAMBLY on November 11, astern of convoy SC-53; she is supposed to have been sunk by U-561.
CRUSADER (2939 grt) was supposed to sail with SC-53, but failed to report and was reported missing. She is also attributed to U-561.
ASTRAL (7542 grt) was reported missing after Dec 2nd, and is attributed to U-43; interestingly, U-43's commander claim was for a big ship of some 12,300 grt.
To add more confusion, Italian sub CAPPELLINI reported also on December 2nd to have hit with two torpedoes an unknown ship; the B-Dienst identified her as MIGUEL DE LARRINAGA, but this vessel was far from the area and was not attacked at all.

AG124 · 09-23-05, 10:53 PM

The wreck which was supposidely the Cyclops was never found again and hasn't been relocated to this day. It was said to have been broken in two near the stern, with the stern lying on its side. This has since been assumed to have been a structural weakness in the class.

Thanks for the pictures of the Nereus. The Proteus actually had a different bridge than that - I guess most members of the class looked different from each other.

BTW - GREAT HOSPITAL SHIP SERGBUTO!

iambecomelife · 09-23-05, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG124

The wreck which was supposidely the Cyclops was never found again and hasn't been relocated to this day. It was said to have been broken in two near the stern, with the stern lying on its side. This has since been assumed to have been a structural weakness in the class.

Thanks for the pictures of the Nereus. The Proteus actually had a different bridge than that - I guess most members of the class looked different from each other.

BTW - GREAT HOSPITAL SHIP SERGBUTO!

lol - he helped but it was my skin.

It's always so awesome when a historical wreck is found. I can actually remember some of the Titanic footage from the year after it was found (got me hooked on ships for good at an early age!)
I hope that someone rediscovers that wreck and can confirm that it's the Cyclops or a sister ship.

BTW, I took a crack at a bulk carrier with the T-2 model but it didn't work out. However, I think I've made a breakthrough with the factory ship. Believe it or not I'm using the small tanker as the parent unit instead of the t-3. I'm going to test the 3d model in museum mode tomorrow, and if I like it I'll start getting it ready for release.

stljeffbb1 · 09-23-05, 11:18 PM

WOOHOO! Here come a whole bunch of ships! We'll have this game where it should be in no time! Now if we could just make some Allied subs.....I'm sure someone will get working on that one!

-Jeff

AG124 · 09-24-05, 08:26 AM

Sorry for giving all the credit to Sergbuto - it was 1:00 in the morning when I wrote that post (where I live) and I was too tired to think straight.

If you make a whale factory out of the small tanker, will you be able to resize it, or change the silhouette? If not, it will be a great addition anyway.

Great work!

09-22-05, 09:50 PM	#4
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Nice models, very nice. BTW, the Arizona is sister to the Pennsylvania and the Nevada is sister to the Oklahoma, so there would only be one ship to model per class. Most of the older battleships were rebuilt and did not re-enter service until mid 1944. Although a few undamaged were on defensive patrols as back up behind the fleet at Midway or the Aleutians, like Colorado and Pennsylvania. A few old ones showed up at Normandy for shore pounding, a job they were well suited too. Nevada, Texas and the ancient Arkansas were there. The Texas and New York were used as convoy escorts on the mid Atlantic convoys (New York-Casablanca) and being sisters this might be the only logical one (Nevada was briefly used as well) for SH3. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

09-23-05, 05:26 AM	#7
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,709 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	@ AG124: Here's a good page on the "Flare", with a link to the Canadian government's report: http://www.ndtcabin.com/articles/flare/flare1.php re: the Sulphur Queen: Marine Transport Lines has always been regarded as a sketchy company. In 1983 they also lost the "Marine Electric" with three survivors out of a 30-plus man crew. I guess they thought it was a good idea to take a 39-y/o converted T-2 into an East Coast winter storm . Anyway, some more shots of the mod: __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

09-23-05, 11:18 PM	#14
stljeffbb1 Medic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 165 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	WOOHOO! Here come a whole bunch of ships! We'll have this game where it should be in no time! Now if we could just make some Allied subs.....I'm sure someone will get working on that one! -Jeff __________________ SH3 Cloning Library: http://www.geocities.com/stljeffbb/CloningLibrary.html :rotfl:

09-22-05, 08:51 PM	#2
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yes, I was thinking myself that a hospital ship would be a good addition, and it wouldn't need any structural changes at all IMO. It shouldn't be armed though. Which ship will it be - The Passenger Liner, the Troop Transport, or Serg's Transport? If there was a separate one for Allied nations, you could give it 0 renown so that we're not rewarded for sinking one, although loss of renown might be better. BTW - Speaking of the Bermuda Triangle, wasn't the Marine Suphur Queen, which supposidely vanished without a trace, found last year? Last I heard, it was yet to be confirmed, as the wreck may have been WW2 era. We don't need to add the MSQ to the game though, she's already there . (T2 tanker).

09-22-05, 09:01 PM	#3
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Forgot to mention, I've never found a single site on the Nereus and Proteus. I have a picture of each (a stern shot and a bow shot) in an old and out of print book called the Devil's Triangle (try to guess what it's about ). The pictures are captionned as belonging to the US Navy. No I don't think they were sunk by U boats (if they were, imagine the tonnage though ) - if they had been, there would probably have been some record and no U boats were in the area anyway. I guess it's possible though. As for sinking bulk carriers in modern times, one actually broke in two and sank (the MV Flare) near St. John's Newfoundland, the province where I live, several years ago. The footage was used in the movie Godzilla, in the scene where the French "insurance agents" (French Foreign Legion) are interviewing the sole survivor, I think (on the TV in the room).

09-23-05, 03:22 AM	#5
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	About the Hospital Ships: Wouldn't it be possible to make every Hospital ship an Axis ship, and thus every player attacking one would get negative renown? My only concern is, that the ship might be sunk by the convoy escorts in turn :hmm:

09-23-05, 05:36 AM	#8
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	A "red cross" nationality would be a good idea. For now, this will do very well, though, I think.

09-23-05, 09:33 AM	#9
Shadow9216 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 296 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Can you make a hospital ship out of a Liberty? I know there were several converted during the war...

09-23-05, 10:53 PM	#12
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The wreck which was supposidely the Cyclops was never found again and hasn't been relocated to this day. It was said to have been broken in two near the stern, with the stern lying on its side. This has since been assumed to have been a structural weakness in the class. Thanks for the pictures of the Nereus. The Proteus actually had a different bridge than that - I guess most members of the class looked different from each other. BTW - GREAT HOSPITAL SHIP SERGBUTO!

09-24-05, 08:26 AM	#15
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Sorry for giving all the credit to Sergbuto - it was 1:00 in the morning when I wrote that post (where I live) and I was too tired to think straight. If you make a whale factory out of the small tanker, will you be able to resize it, or change the silhouette? If not, it will be a great addition anyway. Great work!