Death and valor on a warship doomed by its own Navy. - Page 3

test0r · 02-25-20, 06:58 AM

Seem similar to the Norwegian frigate accident against a tanker, causing the frigate to sink.

Recap, translated (turn on captions):

Report:
https://www.naval-technology.com/fea...lision-report/

Aktungbby · 02-25-20, 12:46 PM

test0r!

after a decade's silent run!

oversoul · 02-25-20, 02:06 PM

"Death and valor on a warship doomed by its own Navy."

While reading "Conquering Tide," by Ian Toll, this title could apply to USS ATLANTA during the 13 Nov 1942 action near Savo Island and Guadalcanal, who was fired upon by 'friendly' warships on that overcast, moonless night.

BT

Great post, test0r. "Do you know which boat is heading toward us, a little port side." Jesus Christ.
Popular Mechanics article: https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...-crash-report/
and USNI report: https://news.usni.org/2018/11/30/nor...ccident-report

whecsailor · 02-25-20, 11:33 PM

Before 1996 there were units named Fleet Training Group. You choped to them and were trained by professional experts and instructors in their fields hand selected from the fleet and Coast Guard. You were there until your ship worked as a solid team and knew what you were doing.
They then went to the silly system of train the trainers and a on board team trained the ship so people learned less and less as the training teams were not professional instructors, nor experts in their fields, but held the training slot due to their rank. . so the ship learned how to do things from its own onboard teams. Over time that training level and skill was allowed to degrade further and further. It was like a bad game of telephone tag.
The Commodore of GITMO FTG even gave a speech in 1996 forecasting this would happen but the Navy wanted to save money. You know the results.

Aktungbby · 02-26-20, 12:57 AM

whecsailor!

test0r · 02-26-20, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

test0r!

after a decade's silent run!

Ran out of food supplies, had to surface.

02-25-20, 12:46 PM	#32
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,032 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	welcome back! test0r! after a decade's silent run! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

02-25-20, 02:06 PM	#33
oversoul Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	PID fail "Death and valor on a warship doomed by its own Navy." While reading "Conquering Tide," by Ian Toll, this title could apply to USS ATLANTA during the 13 Nov 1942 action near Savo Island and Guadalcanal, who was fired upon by 'friendly' warships on that overcast, moonless night. BT Great post, test0r. "Do you know which boat is heading toward us, a little port side." Jesus Christ. Popular Mechanics article: https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...-crash-report/ and USNI report: https://news.usni.org/2018/11/30/nor...ccident-report Last edited by oversoul; 02-25-20 at 02:27 PM.

02-25-20, 11:33 PM	#34
whecsailor Nub Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 4 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	FTG Training Before 1996 there were units named Fleet Training Group. You choped to them and were trained by professional experts and instructors in their fields hand selected from the fleet and Coast Guard. You were there until your ship worked as a solid team and knew what you were doing. They then went to the silly system of train the trainers and a on board team trained the ship so people learned less and less as the training teams were not professional instructors, nor experts in their fields, but held the training slot due to their rank. . so the ship learned how to do things from its own onboard teams. Over time that training level and skill was allowed to degrade further and further. It was like a bad game of telephone tag. The Commodore of GITMO FTG even gave a speech in 1996 forecasting this would happen but the Navy wanted to save money. You know the results.

02-26-20, 12:57 AM	#35
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,032 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! whecsailor! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

02-25-20, 06:58 AM	#31
test0r Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 5 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Seem similar to the Norwegian frigate accident against a tanker, causing the frigate to sink. Recap, translated (turn on captions): Report: https://www.naval-technology.com/fea...lision-report/