What is going on in Poland ?!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hmm yes

But there were some people who saw it all coming, and decided to emigrate to a remote island and live there, before WW2 started.

They chose the Solomon islands.

Oh dear...

[ikalugin]

Well, poles now claim that we have downed that airliner with their president years back on purpose.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well, poles now claim that we have downed that airliner with their president years back on purpose.

You were responsible for every mess since the fall of the Roman empire

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

You were responsible for every mess since the fall of the Roman empire

It was the Russians who caused the extinction of the dinosaurs don't you know? I mean, where was the most destructive impact event in modern history? Tunguska in Russia! Where did the most recent close call happen? Chelyabinsk in Russia!

It's clearly Russias fault.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well, poles now claim that we have downed that airliner with their president years back on purpose.

Was to be expected.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well, poles now claim that we have downed that airliner with their president years back on purpose.

I heard and read that cockpit chatter and this little black box proved it was Lech Kaczyński himself, who ordered the pilot to land despite of the bad weather conditions.
Do not molest nationalists with facts, their opinion always stands fast without it

But, as a slight retour via Ikalugin, maybe a nationalist Poland now declares war to Russia? Of course using some pretext like an attacked polish radio station, and then go for it with Trump on their side.

[Rockstar]

I like this Law & Justice party way of thinking..

...Law and Justice, on the other hand, has argued that Poland should resist EU pressure to take in migrants and instead make policy decisions based on Polish interests. The party has warned that there is a serious danger of making the same mistakes as many West European countries, whereby a large number of migrants who do not respect Polish laws and customs end up imposing their way of life so that Poles become ‘guests in their own country’. It has cited examples of EU states with large Muslim communities where it claims that such a scenario is already unfolding

https://polishpoliticsblog.wordpress...an-for-europe/

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I heard and read that cockpit chatter and this little black box proved it was Lech Kaczyński himself, who ordered the pilot to land despite of the bad weather conditions.
Do not molest nationalists with facts, their opinion always stands fast without it

But, as a slight retour via Ikalugin, maybe a nationalist Poland now declares war to Russia? Of course using some pretext like an attacked polish radio station, and then go for it with Trump on their side.

I think Poles are more likely to invade Germany, considering how they have stronger Armed Forces (/trollface/). But to answer your question - poles are indeed pumped with the anti-Russian sentiments (not that some of the things they say don't have basis in the reality, but now the anti-Russia stance appears to be a state policy).

If I were an american imperialist (I am not), I would even say that Poland is there as a barrier between Russia-Germany union (not that it is likely), which could change the geopolitics in Europe. I mean, immagine Russia joining the EU with strong Russia-Germany ties (like a formal bilateral alliance).

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I like this Law & Justice party way of thinking..

While I agree with that one point I'm also aware of all the other things they did, like practically eliminating free press and rendering the constitutional court pretty much useless.

Yeah, totally likable.....not.

[Catfish]

Like i said, maybe England (NOT the whole UK) and Poland can have their own trade block, and then Rumania and Hungary will join. Seems they have a lot more in common, than what the EU stands for

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Seems they have a lot more in common, than what the EU stands for

What does the EU stand for these days?

[Catfish]

If you don't know that you are probably on the same level like the Brexits in England

Free trade, no customs, freedom of travel, no visa, police supporting directly and effortless across the borders, and a bit of peace since 71 years.
Yes i guess you meant it tongue in cheek.

Of course times could be more interesting, like in WW2.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

... that Poland is there as a barrier between Russia-Germany union (not that it is likely), which could change the geopolitics in Europe. I mean, imagine Russia joining the EU with strong Russia-Germany ties (like a formal bilateral alliance).

Yes i had high hopes for a russian-german treaty as a step for later entry into the EU, as it was thought of and planned in the "Petersburger Gespraeche". But with anti-russian propaganda dating from the cold war together with the Ukraine incidents and following sanctions the talks have stopped dead in the water.
Also, the political party which initiated this is not longer in power, and you know what happens when the political wind changes..

Apart from that we have quite a lot of opinion formers in the media and industry, from a kind of club that calls itself the "Atlantikbruecke" and recruits "young leaders" intended to shape the public opinion to a pro-western and anti-russian point of view.

If you look at a map, it is not automatically obvious that the EU should have trade with the 4000-km-far USA, but not with Russia. After 1989, there is no direct reason for this anymore, but certain circles of course prefer the status quo.


And then, there is TTIP.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

While I agree with that one point I'm also aware of all the other things they did, like practically eliminating free press and rendering the constitutional court pretty much useless.

Yeah, totally likable.....not.

Could be. But I know when a certain President took office here he was looked at as the spawn of satan, the anti-christ setting out to destroy the constitution and freedom as the world knows it. Hasnt happened yet, though I keep hearing it will any day now.

New government new boogie man.

Has JIS really set out to destroy the constitution and freedom? IMO probaly not. Though I keep hearing it will anyday now.

[Catfish]

It seems Poland has nothing against the EU, just against immigration.
And it seems it's not the only nation.
So are they racist? Xenophobes?

If unwanted immigration is the real reason you want to leave the Eu, i'd say "go", but i'd probably use two other words like "..... off".