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vanjast · 10-29-14, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

A hero is a person who willingly risks his or her life in a cause they don't necessarily believe in. It falls under the auspice of a little something we call "duty".

And yes, it is difficult to understand.

I had the same problem during my time... but found it easy to see through the political BS.

There was PW Botha waving his finger at us, 'Do Your Duty.. RSA Needs You.. Serve Your Country'

My thoughts were.. 'You're out of your cotton picking mind .. Crunchie.
What !! run around the bush.. shooting and been shot at.. for what! - a non-winnable unjust situation.. when I could be at the beach surfing and chatting up hot chicks - this 'finger man's' crazy!!'

But I had a slight problem.. I couldn't escape overseas like a lot did, as we had no contacts and no money to do that.. so I did the next best thing to get out the army - joined the airforce to study, which I did for 4 years.. qualified, then resigned.. honourably discharged straight into civvy life, with no more military commitments (perfect

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Now we have similar situation as the US and UK, lying presidents, army sent to far away lands, CAR/Congo, to stop 'rebels'. But here the underlying cause is that our president's son is head of a few mining operations in CAR/Congo.. makes you think doesn't it. And the RSA gov were thinking of bringing in conscription for this little adventure...

This time I can send my children overseas and we have contacts.. and are in the process

You see .. think a little bit, ask the wrong questions, and see through the governmental BS that you've been fed.
One thing I can say.. so far our media looks to be 'free'er' than the UK, USA media with regard to 'invasion reporting'... so I think we more nitty gritty stuff... stuff that hurts the government..which is good, after all 'somebody else' voted for them.

ikalugin · 10-29-14, 06:57 AM

I just wish that the job is done before NATO troops leave Afghanistan, as otherwise Russia would have to go in there and we honestly have better things to do now.

Though it isn't like NATO ever went to reduce local drug production or anything.

Oberon · 10-29-14, 07:33 AM

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Betonov · 10-29-14, 09:23 AM

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Jimbuna · 10-29-14, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

I just wish that the job is done before NATO troops leave Afghanistan, as otherwise Russia would have to go in there and we honestly have better things to do now.

Though it isn't like NATO ever went to reduce local drug production or anything.

I really don't see Russia returning to Afghanistan again.

ikalugin · 10-29-14, 09:40 AM

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I really don't see Russia returning to Afghanistan again.

We have been expanding and reinforcing our presense in Tajikistan for several years now.

As well as assisting NATO with logistsics.

Jimbuna · 10-29-14, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

We have been expanding and reinforcing our presense in Tajikistan for several years now.

As well as assisting NATO with logistsics.

That may well be the case but I simply don't see it happening....unless Putin wants to get one over on Obama but even then I don't see any single country having the ability to quell the Afghanistan people entirely.

ikalugin · 10-29-14, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That may well be the case but I simply don't see it happening....unless Putin wants to get one over on Obama but even then I don't see any single country having the ability to quell the Afghanistan people entirely.

Depends as to what your objectives are, destruction of drug crops is quite possible with biological agents.

vanjast · 10-29-14, 10:03 AM

Not a very good idea, as it might backfire with destruction of general agriculture.. then you'll have a real crisis.
..and they'll just move the drug crops anyway.. and then what will you do ?
poison those areas as well !!

Drug crops are only there because of the demand... eliminate the demand, or trade route in your own country... far less expensive and easier.
But is there the will power (political) to do this.... the crux of the matter.

Oberon · 10-29-14, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Depends as to what your objectives are, destruction of drug crops is quite possible with biological agents.

It's not that effective, has side-effects and may wind up just making the problem worse.

ikalugin · 10-29-14, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vanjast

Drug crops are only there because of the demand... eliminate the demand, or trade route in your own country... far less expensive and easier.
But is there the will power (political) to do this.... the crux of the matter.

The demand for Heroin would always be there, and the main routes are via the Central Asia states, which have issues.

There are only 2 real ways to deal with this sort of drug production - chemical agents (air delivered) and biological ones (also air delivered).

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and they'll just move the drug crops anyway.. and then what will you do ?

The brilliance of a biological agent is that it moves with the crops.

However as with any biological agent there are complications, but then there is some progress in that field.

Betonov · 10-29-14, 11:40 AM

I say let the Russians take another try at AF. Without the covert arming of rebels.

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vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,734 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Not a very good idea, as it might backfire with destruction of general agriculture.. then you'll have a real crisis. ..and they'll just move the drug crops anyway.. and then what will you do ? poison those areas as well !! Drug crops are only there because of the demand... eliminate the demand, or trade route in your own country... far less expensive and easier. But is there the will power (political) to do this.... the crux of the matter.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I say let the Russians take another try at AF. Without the covert arming of rebels.