Another Nerdgasm!

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by STEED

Took there bloody time blowing up that hippy ship.

I love that ship....

That video is really fun to watch no matter what is out of scale, or canon.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

*whispers* Some people need to get out more.

Yes, I guess we can go back to studying obsolete WWII submarines.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Rhodes

Star Trek universe has time travel. On purpose and due to accidents involving several things!
In Star Wars they never mention it, I think!

Oh yeah, silly me...Star Trek had to go back in time to retrieve the whales...What was I thinking.

[Betonov]

It's the uniforms. You can't battle the Empire in pajamas

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Oh yeah, silly me...Star Trek had to go back in time to retrieve the whales...What was I thinking.

The Naked Time before that, and Gary 7 and a few others before the "Save the Whales!

[Mork_417]

Originally Posted by Rhodes

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/05/16/...pecial-edition

Victory for SW this time!

That was good.

Originally Posted by sharkbit

Watching Star Trek at work...........I hope your boss doesn't frequent thes forums.

Wait....I'm looking at the forum at work, so I guess I'm slacking off as well.

I believe most of us are guilty of that one, but like Jim mentioned, it helps if your the boss.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In that case you might be interested in learning what really happened on Tatooine all those years ago.

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

*whispers* Some people need to get out more.

[Oberon]

Tad overkill, the Star Destroyer would have had enough firepower to destroy an old Constitution class starship.

The comparison is apples vs oranges though, the Federation was built for scientific discovery, the Empire for war and conquest, it's natural that they would have superior weaponry.
Although one does have to wonder how they would fare against the Borg once the Borg had lost a few dozen cubes and adapted to Imperial weaponry.
Then there's Q, who could turn Emperor Palpatine into a pot plant with a click of his fingers.

So, it's not quite as one sided if you think outside the Federation.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Tad overkill, the Star Destroyer would have had enough firepower to destroy an old Constitution class starship.

Not so. It has been stated that a Constitution class has the firepower to level an entire planet. Also, the Empire doesn't seem to have the concept of force shields, otherwise how could a single fighter firing a single missile destroy the Death Star?

I'm not trying to revive that old nerd argument, because just looking at them I would agree with you. I'm just going by what characters in each universe have said about their own technology. The bottom line is of course the same as the equally silly argument concerning which version of Batman would win a fight: Whichever one the screenwriter said would win.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Although one does have to wonder how they would fare against the Borg once the Borg had lost a few dozen cubes and adapted to Imperial weaponry.

This is something I've wondered about; how does the Borg weapon-adaption thingy work, anyway? I mean, what do different phaser frequencies do to the beam that makes them have to re-adapt to it? Are there types of weapons they can't adapt to? Can weapons break through their shields even after they've adapted to them given sufficient firepower (seeing as how most capital ship-based weapons in Star Wars have a pretty insane energy output)? I'm not that knowledgeable about Star Trek, so I probably missed a whole bunch of relevant information about how all that works.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not so. It has been stated that a Constitution class has the firepower to level an entire planet. Also, the Empire doesn't seem to have the concept of force shields, otherwise how could a single fighter firing a single missile destroy the Death Star?

Well the Empire learned after the first one was destroyed. But instead of having the shield generator on the second Death Star itself, they had the shield generator on the planet of Endor. Possibly because that Death Star wasn't completed.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not so. It has been stated that a Constitution class has the firepower to level an entire planet. Also, the Empire doesn't seem to have the concept of force shields, otherwise how could a single fighter firing a single missile destroy the Death Star?

I'm not trying to revive that old nerd argument, because just looking at them I would agree with you. I'm just going by what characters in each universe have said about their own technology. The bottom line is of course the same as the equally silly argument concerning which version of Batman would win a fight: Whichever one the screenwriter said would win.

Good point, I must admit I haven't seen all of the TOS episodes so I couldn't be certain about the exact firepower of a Constitution class except compared to that of later era vessels.
Fully agree on the scriptwriter though, after all, that's what technobabble was invented for.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

This is something I've wondered about; how does the Borg weapon-adaption thingy work, anyway? I mean, what do different phaser frequencies do to the beam that makes them have to re-adapt to it? Are there types of weapons they can't adapt to? Can weapons break through their shields even after they've adapted to them given sufficient firepower (seeing as how most capital ship-based weapons in Star Wars have a pretty insane energy output)? I'm not that knowledgeable about Star Trek, so I probably missed a whole bunch of relevant information about how all that works.

I think that the adaptation comes about from two ways. The Federation (and other races and organisations in the Trek 'verse) use phased energy as a weapon which operates on specific frequencies. Up until the first contact with the Borg the frequency was rarely changed, however after the Enterprise D encountered the Borg it was postulated that by changing the frequency that the phasers operated on the Borg would not be able to adapt their shields to counter the frequency, in regards to the science behind it, I'd wager it's a bit like how a sound wave can be cancelled out by another sound wave of the exact same frequency.
In regards to physical weapons, the Borg are often shown to be weak to swords and even a Tommy gun, so how affective their protection against kinetic weaponry is can be debated. However against things like lightsabers and blasters, their shields could and would adapt.

Secondly, the process of assimilation adds the memories of the individual into the Collective, so if the Borg were able to assimilate a high ranking officer of the Empire, they would have access to all the battle tactics, weapons specifications, and ship weaknesses that the officer had in his memory.
Of course, in certain circumstances this interconnectivity is as much of a weakness as it is a strength to the Borg, introducing a virus or countering the weight of the collective with a strong psychic link, it's likely that there are races within the Star Wars universe which could do this, although against the standard clone troopers and human officers of the Empire it would likely be somewhat effective.

Again though, we come into the territory aformentioned by Steve, the writers, the Borg started out as the Federations biggest enemy, an unstoppable menace that struck fear into the hearts of Starfleet. By the time Voyager finished they were just another baddie of the week, in fact the Dominion probably struck more fear into Starfleet than the Borg after Janeway had finished with them. But that's how it goes, something I am sure that Star Wars fans are aware of to, for I need only say one word beginning with M which I shall not for the sake or preserving Raptors sanity.

On the subject though, here's a little reading material for you, Raptor, to pass a few hours, it's a bit Star Wars bias, but not so that a Star Trek fan won't get some enjoyment out of it (although they may get somewhat confused along the way):

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...est/index.html

[Sailor Steve]

Interesting story, and well-written. I read the first two chapters. Now I'm hooked. I hate you.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I think that the adaptation comes about from two ways. The Federation (and other races and organisations in the Trek 'verse) use phased energy as a weapon which operates on specific frequencies. Up until the first contact with the Borg the frequency was rarely changed, however after the Enterprise D encountered the Borg it was postulated that by changing the frequency that the phasers operated on the Borg would not be able to adapt their shields to counter the frequency, in regards to the science behind it, I'd wager it's a bit like how a sound wave can be cancelled out by another sound wave of the exact same frequency.
In regards to physical weapons, the Borg are often shown to be weak to swords and even a Tommy gun, so how affective their protection against kinetic weaponry is can be debated. However against things like lightsabers and blasters, their shields could and would adapt.

The scene with the Tommy gun in First Contact is exactly what I was wondering about, because blasters (along with 'lasers') in the Star Wars are most often depicted as particle weapons, which, despite being energy weapons, deliver damage by kinetic energy. So, if the Borg can't adapt to kinetic energy weapons, I'd be inclined to believe they couldn't adapt to the majority of Star Wars weaponry either.

I'm not sure whether that would apply to lightsabers, but their rarity and general lack of applicability to space combat probably make them inconsequential in a conflict like this.

Originally Posted by Oberon

On the subject though, here's a little reading material for you, Raptor, to pass a few hours, it's a bit Star Wars bias, but not so that a Star Trek fan won't get some enjoyment out of it (although they may get somewhat confused along the way):

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...est/index.html

I know of this but I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet. Should get around to it at some point...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

The scene with the Tommy gun in First Contact is exactly what I was wondering about, because blasters (along with 'lasers') in the Star Wars are most often depicted as particle weapons, which, despite being energy weapons, deliver damage by kinetic energy. So, if the Borg can't adapt to kinetic energy weapons, I'd be inclined to believe they couldn't adapt to the majority of Star Wars weaponry either.

It's entirely possible, however there's only one instance (that I can recall of) of the Borg being attacked with kinetic based weaponry and that's the Tommy Gun and if I recall correctly, Picard only shot two or three drones, which is about the number it takes before the Borg adapt.
Evidence in favour of the adaptation of the Borg to kinetic weaponry comes from a scene in First Contact where, trapped in the temporal wake of the Borg Sphere, the bridge crew of the Enterprise-E witness Earth transform into a Borg world because of the assimilation of Earth in 2063. Now, if the Borg had a weakness to kinetic weapons then they would have struggled against the humans of 2063 with their kinetic weapons, although the humans would also have the disadvantage of being a) bombarded from orbit and b) dispersed and reduced in number following World War Three.
However, I think that a race that has absorbed such a large amount of civilizations that the Borg has done, would be able to use a forcefield to stop an object propelled at velocity. It was likely that they just hadn't adapted to a Tommy Gun when Picard used it, otherwise, if it was the 'golden bullet' (pardon the terrible pun) then the crew of the Enterprise could have used the replicators to manufacture all sorts of firearms and used them in lieu of the ineffective phasers. It would be easier than using swords (since only a handful would have had that sort of training, like Worf) and would make for a much shorter film
So I think it's safe to assume that the Borg would adapt to kinetic based weaponry given enough exposure to it.

And, Steve, you're welcome.