Key '9/11 plotter' due in court - Page 3

mookiemookie · 05-07-12, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Should have tried this in NYC right in the shadow of Ground Zero. Most New Yorkers I know would have drooled over the chance to get him. Instead, we're dragging this out in the military system. He's been in custody since 2003, we're only starting this thing now and things won't get rolling again for another year. These people don't have to make a mockery of the system, we are doing a fine enough job of it ourselves.

Indeed. The way to show these bastages that we're not afraid of them, and that they have no power over us is to try them as we would try any other individual, in a regular court room in NYC and then sentence them to a hole of a jail cell to be forgotten, a la Noriega. Not give them the glamour, importance and and satisfaction of us making a big deal out of their trial.

Platapus · 05-07-12, 09:24 PM

One of the reasons the trial needed to take place at Gitmo was to make that holding facility constitutional. Article 3 section 2.

Jimbuna · 05-08-12, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Should have tried this in NYC right in the shadow of Ground Zero. Most New Yorkers I know would have drooled over the chance to get him. Instead, we're dragging this out in the military system. He's been in custody since 2003, we're only starting this thing now and things won't get rolling again for another year. These people don't have to make a mockery of the system, we are doing a fine enough job of it ourselves.

Precisely

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

When found guilty (when, not if) - all 5 should be locked into the same room together, nude. They should be told that only one of them has been given a death sentence, but not told which one. They should be given less than enough food needed for them all, so as to make them fight to survive. When the first dies, leave the body and cut off the food. Make the body an attractive food option for the rest. *guards speculating what human flesh tasts like, etc. LWhen they eat the first, and are starving, they will kill another. When the the first 4 die and are consumed, then take the last one out, throw him into a full septic tank and watch him drown. Video it all for the Islamic masses to see their martys great "victory".

Let them see the wonder and glory of crossing the US. Let them get the image burned into their brain of how holy and celebratoryand glorious it is for these "martyrs" to make their way to allah.

If your going to do something - do it right....
Just sayin.....

I understand your sentiments but if that did happen you had better prepare yourself for reciprocal actions against your own people being televised worldwide.

CaptainHaplo · 05-08-12, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I understand your sentiments but if that did happen you had better prepare yourself for reciprocal actions against your own people being televised worldwide.

4 words.....

Too Late

Daniel Pearl

Jimbuna · 05-09-12, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

4 words.....

Too Late

Daniel Pearl

Yes I was aware of that tragic event but what I meant was, such actions would become much more frequent.

CaptainHaplo · 05-09-12, 10:09 AM

They do their utmost to kill, torture, abuse and publicize those they capture. That won't change whether or not we treat them like the scum they are.

Then again - if I had my way, it wouldn't be a question of worrying about our folks, because the conflict would be prosecuted entirely differenlty.

Catfish · 05-09-12, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

They do their utmost to kill, torture, abuse and publicize those they capture.

We all know they did organize and execute terroristic actions, which is bad enough and for what they shall be punished alright.

Can you please give some examples how "they kill, torture and abuse those they capture" ?

05-09-12, 10:17 AM

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They do their utmost to kill, torture, abuse and publicize those they capture. That won't change whether or not we treat them like the scum they are.

So do you propose to become scum just like them?
I could understand the merits of it if you were making these proposals as an effort to stop them acting like scum. But just becoming scum yourself isn't a very great objective to aim for.

CaptainHaplo · 05-09-12, 10:52 AM

Judith and David Tebbutt - he was murdered and she was kept in captivity for 7 months - learning weeks after the start that her husband had been killed.

Or would you rather look at Scott and Jean Adams, Phyllis Macay and Bob Riggle?

Perhaps you'd rather consider the case of Taliban commander Siraj Haqqani - who would rape any pretty young girl who passed a screening - on camera. Oh - and when found out - he did what any good, pious Muslim would do - he started killing all the witnesses.

That work for abuse and killing?

Publicize? Warren Weinstein ring a bell? After all - the terms set to release him are a known non-starter for all involved - so its a matter of time before he is dead as well.... Poor man - he is already dead and just his body just hasn't caught on to that fact.

Or does he not count becase he is jewish?

How about Daniela Widmer and David Och - the swiss couple who had to plead for their lives? Luckily, they were able to survive. How often does that happen?

And if you want to make it about American Military folks....
Bowe Robert Bergahl
To date - he has been shown in 5 seperate videos that I know of. Held in captivity for 3 years now......If he is still alive. Given the reports that he tried to escape and was "recaptured" and has since not been seen, his survival is highly questionable at this point.

We have tried to "out-nice" our enemies for over a decade - and it has done nothing good. Providing health care, religious services and texts, soccer fields and all kinds of other things to those who would saw off our heads as we screamed like Pearle did - has not convinced them that they should stop screwing around with us. So after more than a decade of failure, perhaps its time to try another path.....

05-09-12, 01:26 PM

posted by haplo

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blah blah blah blah

don't you dare try and inform me as you are totally clueless on the matter beyond what you read in the media
you are so far out of your depth you couldn't swim to shore with proffesional help.
So forget all your empty rubbish and explain how your policy of becoming just as scummy as the murdering bastards can have anything even remotely positive to support it?

_dgn_ · 05-09-12, 03:44 PM

Enola Gay's and Bockscar's crews were not prosecuted nor condemned for the killing of tens (or hundreds) of thousands of civilian (and innocent) victims at Hiroshima or Nagasaki ...

CaptainHaplo · 05-09-12, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by _dgn_

Enola Gay's and Bockscar's crews were not prosecuted nor condemned for the killing of tens (or hundreds) of thousands of civilian (and innocent) victims at Hiroshima or Nagasaki ...

What has that got to do with the price of rice in china? They were prosecuting a declared war against an enemy who refused to surrender. Their actions also likely SAVED the lived of a million or more people....

Seriously - stay on topic...

_dgn_ · 05-09-12, 04:23 PM

About "price", what was the price for each so "saved" US soldier ? Four Japanese women and five children ?

Seriously, the defendants at Guantanamo Bay consider themselves in war with the United States.

I even believe that they are locked up in a military prison and judged by a military tribunal. Maybe because they are prisoners of war ...

CaptainHaplo · 05-09-12, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by _dgn_

About "price", what was the price for each so "saved" US soldier ? Four Japanese women and five children ?

Seriously, the defendants at Guantanamo Bay consider themselves in war with the United States.

I even believe that they are locked up in a military prison and judged by a military tribunal. Maybe because they are prisoners of war ...

Actually - its estimated that both sides would have suffered over half a million casualties each - the Japanese bearing the brunt. So what is better - 200k dead or injured, or 750k dead or injured? Not to mention the wholesale destruction of whatever was left of mainland Japan.

They can consider themselves at war with us - but they don't fall under the geneva convention (they are not a recognized signatory and their own actions violated it) so we can treat them any way we as a nation at war choose. Using them to show the world and their islamic brothers the realities of trying to carry out a war against the US.

05-09-12, 04:48 PM

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They can consider themselves at war with us - but they don't fall under the geneva convention (they are not a recognized signatory and their own actions violated it) so we can treat them any way we as a nation at war choose. Using them to show the world and their islamic brothers the realities of trying to carry out a war against the US.

The US supreme court says you are talking rubbish.
The US dept of defence says you are talking rubbish
Even president Bush eventually said you are talking rubbish.

So it seems your country is pretty set on the matter officially and you are still stuck 6 years behind the game.

05-07-12, 09:24 PM	#32
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,101 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	One of the reasons the trial needed to take place at Gitmo was to make that holding facility constitutional. Article 3 section 2. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-09-12, 10:09 AM	#36
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	They do their utmost to kill, torture, abuse and publicize those they capture. That won't change whether or not we treat them like the scum they are. Then again - if I had my way, it wouldn't be a question of worrying about our folks, because the conflict would be prosecuted entirely differenlty. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-09-12, 10:52 AM	#39
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Judith and David Tebbutt - he was murdered and she was kept in captivity for 7 months - learning weeks after the start that her husband had been killed. Or would you rather look at Scott and Jean Adams, Phyllis Macay and Bob Riggle? Perhaps you'd rather consider the case of Taliban commander Siraj Haqqani - who would rape any pretty young girl who passed a screening - on camera. Oh - and when found out - he did what any good, pious Muslim would do - he started killing all the witnesses. That work for abuse and killing? Publicize? Warren Weinstein ring a bell? After all - the terms set to release him are a known non-starter for all involved - so its a matter of time before he is dead as well.... Poor man - he is already dead and just his body just hasn't caught on to that fact. Or does he not count becase he is jewish? How about Daniela Widmer and David Och - the swiss couple who had to plead for their lives? Luckily, they were able to survive. How often does that happen? And if you want to make it about American Military folks.... Bowe Robert Bergahl To date - he has been shown in 5 seperate videos that I know of. Held in captivity for 3 years now......If he is still alive. Given the reports that he tried to escape and was "recaptured" and has since not been seen, his survival is highly questionable at this point. We have tried to "out-nice" our enemies for over a decade - and it has done nothing good. Providing health care, religious services and texts, soccer fields and all kinds of other things to those who would saw off our heads as we screamed like Pearle did - has not convinced them that they should stop screwing around with us. So after more than a decade of failure, perhaps its time to try another path..... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-09-12, 03:44 PM	#41
_dgn_ Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: France Posts: 122 Downloads: 331 Uploads: 0	Enola Gay's and Bockscar's crews were not prosecuted nor condemned for the killing of tens (or hundreds) of thousands of civilian (and innocent) victims at Hiroshima or Nagasaki ...

05-09-12, 04:23 PM	#43
_dgn_ Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: France Posts: 122 Downloads: 331 Uploads: 0	About "price", what was the price for each so "saved" US soldier ? Four Japanese women and five children ? Seriously, the defendants at Guantanamo Bay consider themselves in war with the United States. I even believe that they are locked up in a military prison and judged by a military tribunal. Maybe because they are prisoners of war ...