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Stormfly · 05-24-11, 07:25 PM

this is not part of this offer...

jwilliams · 05-24-11, 07:31 PM

I read the " no more hardcoded stuff" part as meaning that the source code would be availible. Is this not the case??? Otherwise there is not much point in the modders doing this. As the un-hardcoded part is already being modded...
FOR FREE.

THE_MASK · 05-24-11, 07:41 PM

If i was putting my time and effort into it and rely on some pocket money from sales . The first thing i would ask is will the online requirement be dropped ?

SteelViking · 05-24-11, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

If i was putting my time and effort into it and rely on some pocket money from sales . The first thing i would ask is will the online requirement be dropped ?

I would be willing to work with UBI in spite of the remaining internet check. No, I don't like DRM or want DRM, but I am afraid it is something we will have to live with, especially if we want their cooperation.

Though, they caved under pressure and removed constant DRM

nozaurio · 05-24-11, 09:35 PM

This really worries me.

This forum is based on sharing ideas and work done by our great modders.

Now Ubisoft wants to recruit these modders? To benefit financially?.

My answer is Yes, if these aggregates and arrangements are free and I'd say No, if Ubisoft wants to benefit financially with this ...

Remember we pay for a product, which after two patch, still has many problems and I think Ubisoft owes us an answer on this deficiency...

Adriatico · 05-25-11, 01:31 AM

I don't see this as any chance to get serious money... from any side.

It is just a fair common ground for cooperation between Ubi Romania and community moders.

- Ubi guys will be allowed to work only on paid effort
- They can not exclude "moders side" from sharing

It is just a fair principle... that should be determined in advance.

I am sure that Ubi guys have better ways to make money... and I am also sure that moders will do their part - as passion for this simulation, not as money expectations.

* * *
There is one main point here - do we want hard coded parts to be unlocked or not ? (are we true Silent Hunter fans ?)

If starting point is - what Ubi has done to us in a past ...or what Ubi deserves from clients... it is end of story.

Just hope that same "fresh winds" would blow from Ubi at Cliffs of Dover reparation and cosmetics...

von faust · 05-25-11, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

// THE COMMUNITY BASED ADDON FOR SH5
......
2. Write your ideas of what the addon should consist of. Which points are still open? Please write them in short and explain the idea a bit.
.....

Excuse me if I go off topic (and for my English

) but I have a dream....

- The chance to play in multystation like Dangerous Waters, two or more players in the same U-boot.

This will be impossible to do but this will be a new incredible option

TheDarkWraith · 05-25-11, 02:52 AM

As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream...."....that's all this is, a dream. The hard reality is Ubi will never release source code to non-employees. Those that think they will need a reality check.
The game had a number of programmers that specialized in different areas. Those programmers are probably not available (or even employed) with Ubi anymore so the point is once again moot.
Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea

Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

sentenc3 · 05-25-11, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

urfisch · 05-25-11, 03:13 AM

Nice discussion going on here. But let me first point out:

Calm down, its all PRE-BETA in progress, a contact has been established...but first its all about interest. And til now, NO one has enlisted him or herself for this project. So if there are not enough skilled people, who want to take part in the creation of the maybe "best uboat sim ever", there will not be such a project.

We need:
Project Managers, Software Engineers, Sound Engineers, Hobby Coders, 2D and 3D Artists, Testers

And i understand modders who say, their work will NEVER be available for commercial purpose. I thought in the end, its all about the game - no personal things. Maybe i overrated some modders here, maybe not.

Its one thing, to mod in the areas and limitations, the game gives us now and its another thing, to have access to code parts for general improvements. The cooperation idea is just, as some already mentioned, to let us create new content, we NEVER could create as to our possibilities now. And as the series is not to be continued and the genre is a niche, UBI would not earn a big bag full of money with that (same as we do, just pocket money), UBI would primarily gain a better image in listening to the players needs!

Adriatico · 05-25-11, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream...."....that's all this is, a dream. The hard reality is Ubi will never release source code to non-employees. Those that think they will need a reality check.
The game had a number of programmers that specialized in different areas. Those programmers are probably not available (or even employed) with Ubi anymore so the point is once again moot.
Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea

Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

Why don't you check out what is offered on the other side... before you "blow up the bridge" ?

If you can make a great new mods by "unlocked" codes... or get a "reworked SH5" - simply let the community decide paid or not...

Pintea · 05-25-11, 04:24 AM

My 2c about the subject:
The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team).

Also, you will have to work together in a larger team, meaning that you will be tested for your competencies and be given tasks in the field you're most talented in. Judging by the variation of mods on the same subject do you think your egos will let you work consensually on a single variant of, say, GUI ?
Besides that, one of the purposes of mods is to fit more than one taste, do you think Ubi would release an add-on with 5 types of GUI inside ?

My proposal:
Push Ubi to release a SDK (Software Development Kit) of SH5 with only the non-executable parts of the code (.dll only) that contain game-logic code. Trust me, the game is designed to be able to do this...shouldn't take more than 1-2 man months to release a SDK for the game.
Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...just think if you weren't forced to restart the game when changing a single value in a .cfg, and there are tons of cfgs with thousands of values inside, and the game loads soooo slowly...).

JU_88 · 05-25-11, 04:25 AM

Well i guess its worth a shot.
Sure - count me in as a 3d Artist if you want one. I'll do what i can (for free)

For the record, Ubi has offered its hand in co-operation to SH modders before (on at least 2 occassions), so i wouldnt rule it out completely.
I know it would hypothetically end up as payware but to hell with politics, If this is what it takes to make SH5 an enjoyable game, then so be it.

DrJones · 05-25-11, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Well i guess its worth a shot.
Sure - count me in as a 3d Artist if you want one. I'll do what i can (for free)

That's also my opinion...i also raise up my hand...i'll take part...

The General · 05-25-11, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

1. Write a short profile about you, your experience in doing modding and your skills.

Modders like TDW's work speaks for itself. They shouldn't have to 'apply' for anything. Elanaiba and others have spent enough time in this Forum to know where the talent lies. I appreciate your efforts Urfisch, but an 'Add-on' is not what I'm looking for. What I want to see is SH5 finished as was originally intended. The Dev team know perfectly well what they didn't have a chance to complete. They alone have the skills, the tools, the knowledge, the access and the resources to finish SH5. Looking through the SH5 files, it's clear to see, even for a novice like me, that there are alot of 'lose ends', unfinished elements. SH5 was a very ambitious project and I will always love The Devs for that.

If what you're actually asking, in a roundabout way, is for a donation so that we can hire some of the original development team to work (moonlight) on completing SH5, long after Ubisoft has abandoned the project, then I am absolutely game I'd be happy to donate £20 to the cause, once I have confirmation that this is in fact a realistic possibility.

05-24-11, 07:25 PM	#31
Stormfly Serial Port Protector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,424 Downloads: 370 Uploads: 0	this is not part of this offer... __________________ Stormy......

05-24-11, 07:31 PM	#32
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	I read the " no more hardcoded stuff" part as meaning that the source code would be availible. Is this not the case??? Otherwise there is not much point in the modders doing this. As the un-hardcoded part is already being modded... FOR FREE. __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram.

05-25-11, 01:31 AM	#36
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I don't see this as any chance to get serious money... from any side. It is just a fair common ground for cooperation between Ubi Romania and community moders. - Ubi guys will be allowed to work only on paid effort - They can not exclude "moders side" from sharing It is just a fair principle... that should be determined in advance. I am sure that Ubi guys have better ways to make money... and I am also sure that moders will do their part - as passion for this simulation, not as money expectations. * * * There is one main point here - do we want hard coded parts to be unlocked or not ? (are we true Silent Hunter fans ?) If starting point is - what Ubi has done to us in a past ...or what Ubi deserves from clients... it is end of story. Just hope that same "fresh winds" would blow from Ubi at Cliffs of Dover reparation and cosmetics... __________________ Last edited by Adriatico; 05-25-11 at 02:15 AM.

05-25-11, 03:13 AM	#40
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Nice discussion going on here. But let me first point out: Calm down, its all PRE-BETA in progress, a contact has been established...but first its all about interest. And til now, NO one has enlisted him or herself for this project. So if there are not enough skilled people, who want to take part in the creation of the maybe "best uboat sim ever", there will not be such a project. We need: Project Managers, Software Engineers, Sound Engineers, Hobby Coders, 2D and 3D Artists, Testers And i understand modders who say, their work will NEVER be available for commercial purpose. I thought in the end, its all about the game - no personal things. Maybe i overrated some modders here, maybe not. Its one thing, to mod in the areas and limitations, the game gives us now and its another thing, to have access to code parts for general improvements. The cooperation idea is just, as some already mentioned, to let us create new content, we NEVER could create as to our possibilities now. And as the series is not to be continued and the genre is a niche, UBI would not earn a big bag full of money with that (same as we do, just pocket money), UBI would primarily gain a better image in listening to the players needs! __________________

05-25-11, 04:25 AM	#43
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well i guess its worth a shot. Sure - count me in as a 3d Artist if you want one. I'll do what i can (for free) For the record, Ubi has offered its hand in co-operation to SH modders before (on at least 2 occassions), so i wouldnt rule it out completely. I know it would hypothetically end up as payware but to hell with politics, If this is what it takes to make SH5 an enjoyable game, then so be it. Last edited by JU_88; 05-25-11 at 05:18 AM.

05-24-11, 07:41 PM	#33
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	If i was putting my time and effort into it and rely on some pocket money from sales . The first thing i would ask is will the online requirement be dropped ?

05-24-11, 09:35 PM	#35
nozaurio Planesman Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Venezuela Posts: 181 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	This really worries me. This forum is based on sharing ideas and work done by our great modders. Now Ubisoft wants to recruit these modders? To benefit financially?. My answer is Yes, if these aggregates and arrangements are free and I'd say No, if Ubisoft wants to benefit financially with this ... Remember we pay for a product, which after two patch, still has many problems and I think Ubisoft owes us an answer on this deficiency...

05-25-11, 02:52 AM	#38
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream...."....that's all this is, a dream. The hard reality is Ubi will never release source code to non-employees. Those that think they will need a reality check. The game had a number of programmers that specialized in different areas. Those programmers are probably not available (or even employed) with Ubi anymore so the point is once again moot. Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

05-25-11, 04:24 AM	#42
Pintea Sparky Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 152 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	My 2c about the subject: The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team). Also, you will have to work together in a larger team, meaning that you will be tested for your competencies and be given tasks in the field you're most talented in. Judging by the variation of mods on the same subject do you think your egos will let you work consensually on a single variant of, say, GUI ? Besides that, one of the purposes of mods is to fit more than one taste, do you think Ubi would release an add-on with 5 types of GUI inside ? My proposal: Push Ubi to release a SDK (Software Development Kit) of SH5 with only the non-executable parts of the code (.dll only) that contain game-logic code. Trust me, the game is designed to be able to do this...shouldn't take more than 1-2 man months to release a SDK for the game. Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...just think if you weren't forced to restart the game when changing a single value in a .cfg, and there are tons of cfgs with thousands of values inside, and the game loads soooo slowly...).