Frankfurt Airport shooting

[Tchocky]

Let's not blow this out of proportion. An unhinged lunatic executed a poorly planned (if it was planned at all) attack which caused loss of life, but not nearly as much as could have been lost had the attack been "professional".
This is utterly tragic for those who have suffered, and the families have my sympathy.


But seriously, Al-Qaeda shock trooper this guy ain't.

[tater]

They don't need AQ, just the ability to follow their idiotic faith. Religious literalism strikes again.

But seriously, Al-Qaeda shock trooper this guy ain't.

But seriously, what a failure, how is he going to breed the western world out of existance while stuck in prison.
Its their secret plan you know

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

For ourselves, that may be so.

No, it has to be the same for everyone, cannot discriminate. No double standards. And hey, if they pick the wrong leaders who franchise terrorism, that's ok, because we do not have to accept them. We can go to war and bring them down.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

No, it has to be the same for everyone, cannot discriminate. No double standards. And hey, if they pick the wrong leaders who franchise terrorism, that's ok, because we do not have to accept them. We can go to war and bring them down.

I prefer prevention, you prefer to let things break and then try to repair them. Both has pros and cons.

I cannot subscribe to this unlimited-tolerance policy, and as a German I maybe even shouldn'T, we have had two totalitarian dictatorships in just 80 years, but at least you do not go as far as many politicians her ein the EU: saying that if a rogue and villain gets elected somewhere we should and must always accept hom as a representative we have to make politicla business with. For example, there are not a few people over here wnting to negotiate with hamas and Hezbollah and deleting them from the terror list, with the explanation that they came to power democratically and have had a sufficient majority opf their people supporting them. Also, you can easily find yourself locked in more wars than you can handle.

However, we must not go to war about other people'S concerns. We can, but we have no obligation. Becasue we pay for it, and it is our soldiers who risk their lives. And I often think that it would be so much more reasonable to commit a small evil than to later repair the damage by waging war, which brings so much more evil about so much more people and being payed for by so many more.

Originally Posted by K. Popper

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

For example, there are not a few people over here wnting to negotiate with hamas and Hezbollah and deleting them from the terror list, with the explanation that they came to power democratically and have had a sufficient majority opf their people supporting them.

Errrrr.....the arguement put forward there is that you recognise the political wings and don't put them on the terror list where their armed wings belong, its the well established process of dealing with people you can deal with and isolation of the people you cannot deal with.
Its the same as recognising Sinn Fein while keeping the PIRA on the terror list, recognising the PLO while keeping the PFLP-GC on the terror list, recognising Fatah while keeping Al-Asqa on the terror list....damn what a stupid new idea these silly EU politicians are trying to introduce, they obviously must live on a parralel world to come up with such strange new ideas.

[Feuer Frei!]

UPDATE:
So the weapon malfunctioned and the attack was 'revenge' motivated.

AN investigator says the pistol used by the suspect in the shooting of two US airmen at Frankfurt Airport malfunctioned during the attack, preventing further loss of life. Prosecutor Rainer Griesbaum told reporters today that suspect Arid Uka has confessed that he went to the Frankfurt airport on Wednesday specifically to kill Americans "as revenge for the American mission in Afghanistan".
He says Uka shot one airman in the back of the head outside the bus, then ran on board and shot the driver in the head, killing both.
After shooting and injuring two more airmen he pointed the pistol at the head of a third and pulled the trigger twice, but the weapon jammed.
Uka then fled and his would-be victim gave chase and caught him in the airport terminal.

SOURCE

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Errrrr.....the arguement put forward there is that you recognise the political wings and don't put them on the terror list where their armed wings belong, its the well established process of dealing with people you can deal with and isolation of the people you cannot deal with.
Its the same as recognising Sinn Fein while keeping the PIRA on the terror list, recognising the PLO while keeping the PFLP-GC on the terror list, recognising Fatah while keeping Al-Asqa on the terror list....damn what a stupid new idea these silly EU politicians are trying to introduce, they obviously must live on a parralel world to come up with such strange new ideas.

You are great lawyer Tribesman.
You try to be sophisticated but you get lost in the process.
What you try to say doesn't work for the same reason you argue it should work.

What you try to say doesn't work for the same reason you argue it should work.

I hate to bring reality to your strange world MH but each case mentioned did work.
Now you could of course claim they didn't work, but that would be you
having to lie again wouldn't it

[MH]

I like it when you get emotional.
carry on..