Closing the 'Anchor Baby' Loophole

Gerald · 01-08-11, 09:42 AM

Rep. Steve King details proposed bill to put an end to birthright citizenship and the 'misuse' of the 14th Amendment

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4489724/c...ylist_id=87485

Note: Jan 8, 2011

mookiemookie · 01-08-11, 10:11 AM

The term "anchor baby" is a myth. An illegal immigrant who comes over here and has a child is just as subject to deportation as any other illegal. An immigrant child has to wait until they turn 21 to sponsor parents for a visa. And even then, good luck waiting the 20 or so years that it takes to actually get that visa.

This is pure pandering to the uninformed rabble. Politics as usual. We have real problems to solve with our immigration laws without circus sideshows like this interfering.

GoldenRivet · 01-08-11, 10:25 AM

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

mookiemookie · 01-08-11, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

I don't disagree that we should have real reform with quotas and strict laws that are actually enforced. But the term "anchor baby" is wrong and takes away from the real work that needs to be done.

tater · 01-08-11, 10:34 AM

There doesn't need to be legal status for the parent for the baby to be an anchor. Having the US citizen baby is an incentive to stay in the country illegally, even when you might otherwise head home.

The "anchor" can be an incentive, not legal status granted to the parent.

Bottom line is that the loophole needs closing, children of illegals should be illegal.

Also, and perhaps someone is a lawyer and can answer, what happens when an illegal is in a status hearing, and they have a US citizen child? Can they argue that deporting them—and they will take their child—is harm to a US citizen (the child)? Seems like a plausible lever in court to argue hardship for a US citizen who is a minor child. No idea if it gets used this way or if it is possible.

Armistead · 01-08-11, 10:58 AM

Only a few illegal parents actually apply for legal status when a legal child sponsers them. Law states they have to go home for 10 years before they qualify, so they just ignore it, knowing it's highly unlikely they will be deported. I have a friend that works in processing illegals...those arrested, who stays and who goes. Basically his training was...if they have legal children, with a wink and a nod....pass those over for others without children.

Interesting facts.

Based on 2002 census data, the Center for Immigration Studies calculated that households headed by illegal immigrants cost $10.4 billion more than they contributed in taxes. Among the largest costs were Medicaid, food assistance, federal prison and court systems, and federal aid to schools.

5.1 million kids, have at least one parent in the country illegally. Of those children, 79 percent were born here, the study found.

Aramike · 01-11-11, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't disagree that we should have real reform with quotas and strict laws that are actually enforced. But the term "anchor baby" is wrong and takes away from the real work that needs to be done.

Why?

Actually, it's not a myth, it's a real problem. Sure, the parents are subject to deportation - but the child itself is NOT. That's where the problem lies, and closing such a loophole is an EXCELLENT idea.

Ducimus · 01-08-11, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

You can see the results of anchor babies, right now. In california. English here is a second language. If you want to look at it even farther and longer term. We're being breed out of our own country. With each anchor baby comes a hispanic vote, and they always vote for what would be in mexican interets. In other words, they're quite literally, taking over this portion of the country, and not having to fire a single shot. California right now, for all intents and purposes, is a province of mexico. The hispanic vote here is strong now from years of unabaited illeagal immigration and anchor babies. Now polititions MUST pander to them, or not get re elected.

This needs to stop.

Armistead · 01-08-11, 03:06 PM

We have about 100 useless military bases left over from the cold war in europe. Many could be shut down. I say Europe can deal, let's close em down and open about 50 on the border and shut it down.

My wife use to teach kids with speech problems through a local school, now legal kids that need speech help come second as the classes stay full of illegals learning english.

vienna · 01-08-11, 03:23 PM

Another aspect of the "anchor baby" issue:

There are a rather large number of foreign nationals who come to the U.S. specifically to have their children born in the U.S. in order to have the child gain U.S. citizenship and then the parent(s) and child(ren) return to the homeland. This is often done as an "escape hatch" in the event of the need to flee their native country due to conditions in their native country. A lot of these persons having their children born in the U.S. are persons of some wealth and/or political position. Here in California it is not uncommon to see wealthy Middle-Eastern families (particularly Saudi) arrive with their preganant wives, have the child on U.S. soil, and then leave for thier homeland. The same holds for prominent familes in Latin American countries and other nationalities. These families, due to their wealth, prominence, and connections within the U.S. business and/or political worlds have effectively blocked any widespread immigration reform in fear that they would not have the refuge afforded by the "citizenship" rights held by their children. An acquaintance of mine who did work as a bodyguard for Middle-Eastern citizens visiting in the U.S. once told me that in the run-up to the fall of the Shah of Iran, he personally guarded several of the wives and families of high-level business and politcal leaders who feared what would happen to them should the Shah fall and they did not have an "anchor" to provide them with a rationale to flee to the U.S. This situation was in fact covertly encouraged by the State Department and various intelligence agencies in an effort to reassure their "assets" that the U.S. stood by them should anything happen. As long as this practice of turning a blind eye on the actions of the privileged few countinues, there will not be significant or effective immigration reform.

01-08-11, 03:36 PM

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English here is a second language.

Yeah, next thing they are going to do is change all the names of the cities in California to Spanish ones. Evil Mexicans try your worst , true americans will always call san diego san diego no matter how much the newcomers try and erase the past history

Platapus · 01-11-11, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

We're being breed out of our own country.

Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country.

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

Ducimus · 01-11-11, 06:28 PM

You can tap dance around ethics, morals and history all you want, but being bred out of the area is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not. They do not integrate, nor do not identify themselves as Americans.

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And just so you know, Montebello is in california.

Freiwillige · 01-12-11, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country.

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

That's exactly what they did and they took up arms against us and we defeated them. Why did we defeat them? Because they were splintered and failed to unite against the growing threat. We bought loyalty from certain tribes and then dispossessed them from their lands when we had no more use for them. We kept them fighting each other and played on the tribes distrust for our gain. Like it or not we didn't immigrate we invaded and took what we wanted. Guess what it's natures natural cycle. But at least they said enough and tried to mount resistance I give them credit for that.

Armistead · 01-08-11, 10:28 AM

Problem is they don't deport them in many states when they find they do they have a legal baby, as then the cost of raising the child goe's to the governemnt.

We have complete towns here in NC taken over by mexicans, you drive down the street your lucky to see a few signs in english, most are said to be 80% illegal. These were your small farm towns, some bigger like Asheboro, most the whites have left due to crime, no education in the school and property values dropping.

01-08-11, 09:42 AM	#1
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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	The term "anchor baby" is a myth. An illegal immigrant who comes over here and has a child is just as subject to deportation as any other illegal. An immigrant child has to wait until they turn 21 to sponsor parents for a visa. And even then, good luck waiting the 20 or so years that it takes to actually get that visa. This is pure pandering to the uninformed rabble. Politics as usual. We have real problems to solve with our immigration laws without circus sideshows like this interfering. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	a fairly short sighted comment. you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now. __________________

01-08-11, 10:34 AM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There doesn't need to be legal status for the parent for the baby to be an anchor. Having the US citizen baby is an incentive to stay in the country illegally, even when you might otherwise head home. The "anchor" can be an incentive, not legal status granted to the parent. Bottom line is that the loophole needs closing, children of illegals should be illegal. Also, and perhaps someone is a lawyer and can answer, what happens when an illegal is in a status hearing, and they have a US citizen child? Can they argue that deporting them—and they will take their child—is harm to a US citizen (the child)? Seems like a plausible lever in court to argue hardship for a US citizen who is a minor child. No idea if it gets used this way or if it is possible.

01-08-11, 10:58 AM	#6
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Only a few illegal parents actually apply for legal status when a legal child sponsers them. Law states they have to go home for 10 years before they qualify, so they just ignore it, knowing it's highly unlikely they will be deported. I have a friend that works in processing illegals...those arrested, who stays and who goes. Basically his training was...if they have legal children, with a wink and a nod....pass those over for others without children. Interesting facts. Based on 2002 census data, the Center for Immigration Studies calculated that households headed by illegal immigrants cost $10.4 billion more than they contributed in taxes. Among the largest costs were Medicaid, food assistance, federal prison and court systems, and federal aid to schools. 5.1 million kids, have at least one parent in the country illegally. Of those children, 79 percent were born here, the study found.

01-08-11, 03:06 PM	#9
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	We have about 100 useless military bases left over from the cold war in europe. Many could be shut down. I say Europe can deal, let's close em down and open about 50 on the border and shut it down. My wife use to teach kids with speech problems through a local school, now legal kids that need speech help come second as the classes stay full of illegals learning english.

01-08-11, 03:23 PM	#10
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Another aspect of the "anchor baby" issue: There are a rather large number of foreign nationals who come to the U.S. specifically to have their children born in the U.S. in order to have the child gain U.S. citizenship and then the parent(s) and child(ren) return to the homeland. This is often done as an "escape hatch" in the event of the need to flee their native country due to conditions in their native country. A lot of these persons having their children born in the U.S. are persons of some wealth and/or political position. Here in California it is not uncommon to see wealthy Middle-Eastern families (particularly Saudi) arrive with their preganant wives, have the child on U.S. soil, and then leave for thier homeland. The same holds for prominent familes in Latin American countries and other nationalities. These families, due to their wealth, prominence, and connections within the U.S. business and/or political worlds have effectively blocked any widespread immigration reform in fear that they would not have the refuge afforded by the "citizenship" rights held by their children. An acquaintance of mine who did work as a bodyguard for Middle-Eastern citizens visiting in the U.S. once told me that in the run-up to the fall of the Shah of Iran, he personally guarded several of the wives and families of high-level business and politcal leaders who feared what would happen to them should the Shah fall and they did not have an "anchor" to provide them with a rationale to flee to the U.S. This situation was in fact covertly encouraged by the State Department and various intelligence agencies in an effort to reassure their "assets" that the U.S. stood by them should anything happen. As long as this practice of turning a blind eye on the actions of the privileged few countinues, there will not be significant or effective immigration reform.

01-11-11, 06:28 PM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	You can tap dance around ethics, morals and history all you want, but being bred out of the area is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not. They do not integrate, nor do not identify themselves as Americans. edit: And just so you know, Montebello is in california.

01-08-11, 10:28 AM	#15
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Problem is they don't deport them in many states when they find they do they have a legal baby, as then the cost of raising the child goe's to the governemnt. We have complete towns here in NC taken over by mexicans, you drive down the street your lucky to see a few signs in english, most are said to be 80% illegal. These were your small farm towns, some bigger like Asheboro, most the whites have left due to crime, no education in the school and property values dropping.