Top 10 best tanks in the world

[antikristuseke]

Found the specs of the MTU MB 873 on the Leopards and the Honeywell AGT1500C used in the Abrams but havent been able to locate anything on the Perkins Condor MV12 used in Challengers.

The diesel apparently has higher peak performance and lower fuel consumption, but the torque curve of the turbine is more a straight line than a curve. Then again, fuel consumption is a big thing for the logistics side of things.
Anyway this thread gave me a good excuse to try to look up some pointless details, but if anyone could find more info on the perkins engine would appreaciate it.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

I see your hypothetical tanks and raise you one Obyekt 279!

Actually it's not all that big, but it still looks like it should be manned by bear cavalry.

It's especially awesome because it's called 'Object 279', one of the best codenames for such a thing ever...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

It's especially awesome because it's called 'Object 279', one of the best codenames for such a thing ever...

Kugelpanzer!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Best tank ever!


edit- ya gotta love the "cyber armor" idea

[Happy Times]

Pics from an FDF exercise that ends today.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Is that glass I see in the barrel? Is this a variation of the ISMT or MILES systems?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

edit- ya gotta love the "cyber armor" idea

Hehehe yea great idea having troops that keep fighting even after they are dead, kinda like in Space: Above and Beyond where the aliens had never heard of life after death until they heard of it from us. They took it literally and they assumed that half the army of Earth was made of zombies and the only way to stop them would be to chop up the humans they killed.


....... why was that show canceled.....

[Castout]

Well it's a personal ranking based on personal opinion alone.

I wouldn't care much or take it seriously. That specific youtube guys has been videoing various types of military machine ranking.

As for me the world's greatest tank is the think tank.
Honestly one should never put too much pride on military equipment or machines. Strategy, training and skills as well as motives play a major part in winning any war not just what kind of tank one drives into battle.

Realization must be made that it is ALWAYS easier to destroy than to build and when applied to tanking the arsenal and weaponry to destroy a sophisticated tank are so numerous, effective, much cheaper and widely spread & deployed that in a full scale war a tank crew is not expected to survive that long in his tank. No matter what people say there's no one invincible tank.

a Crewless tank perhaps holds the most advantage in terms of operational survivability in a battlefield environment imo just that none is deployed.

Then again the world is yet to have seen another full scale war since the Korean and Vietnam war. Iraq's first war wouldn't fit a full scale war to me. Iraqis were fighting with pretty much obsolete equipment and inferior numbers especially in the air.

The Soviet tanks are often mistaken for being very much inferior when the fact is that they were designed according to a different doctrine than the West relied on.
Soviet designed tanks are designed to be deployed in superior numbers to overwhelm Western Europe defenses. Their strength lies primarily in their numbers while the West opted for superior more sophisticated tank building. The Soviet thought oh well even the superior Nazi tanks crumbled by the sheer weight of numbers of the simpler T-34s so why fix what aint broken.

I think someone mentioned that tank crews ride into battle so they could arrive first and die first too. A tank attracts too much attention and begs for immediate enemy response be it from the ground or air.

[L.T]

would be awsome to have old "tankers" giving there opinion on this, and as one i will try to say what is important for me.

tv shows looks at statistics, and either they go with what history books say or they go for the "popularity" factor

Im a former LEO 1 and 2 driver even had 6 months in M-41DK1 drove the last Danish centurion to the scrap yard so i have kinda abit experience with atleast those tanks. But i have been fortunate enough to be at tank schools in the UK and Germany had some fun in poland and seen loads of MBT`s all over the world. (nothing like tank bust a base in a country you visit)

A tank in modern warfare is nothing like a tank in ww2. The German panther and Tiger is "if you look at the gun" the closest thing to a modern tank, but ww2 simply came down to numbers. A modern tank are not the same speerhead, a modern tank is more used in a supporting role, kinda like the stugg or jagdpanthers.

So what are the worlds best tank? well its hard to say.

Fuel used and range

How complicatet is it to maintain

How complicatet is it to repair

How complkicatet is it to move

How long does it take to train crew

How well does it protect the crew

How effective are the tank on the battle field (Guns/radio/logistics)

When i sit in a tank i need to know it wount break down under normal combat situations. I need to know that the systems are effective and reliable and i dont want to wach engine temp guage and fuel guage all the time. And if something go wrong i want to know it can be fixed either on spot or atleast fast in the repair shop.

I dont want it to be so complicatet that i cant learn the basics on how it all works (by them self) or as the full package, on a engineers level. I want to know how it work so i and the rest of the crew have a basic idea how to try to repair something, and a skill level so we can help the mech`s when they work on the tank.

For me a tank should be simple, with reliable simple systems that do the job. Easy to repair and easy to use. Tank warfare is complicatet and the last thing a tank crew should do was to use a complicatet system in a complicatet enviroment.

The T-34 is a war machine, built for massive attacks in great numbers, the numbers save it, not the tank it self (personaly i think the KV1 is a better tank because when intruduced it could hold its own ground)

And by experience, yes been driving one, that tank can hurt the crew as bad as the enemy, flat out dangerous to be in running fast over cross country

Tiger is simply over engineered way to complicatet.

Panther, werry poorly build, using parts with a history of breaking apart.

Here and now my favorite is the CH II, but that is from my "personal level"

If you want a digital battlefield with a way to complicatet engine you go for abrams

If you want top crew safety and "half" a MBT go with the merkava

You want a formula 1 tank that also is abit complicatet go with the leclerc

If you want simplicity and reliability go for a T-90

At this time there imo only two tanks that could be mentioned as the best tanks and that is the CH II and the leo II

On the battlefield the CH II have a slight upper hand, but for repairs and fixing the Leo is the one with an upper hand..

Its not a tank, but i have a big weak spot for the scorpion. In its day it was the best made "tank" and the two participating in the falklands war did more "setting fear into the enemy" than many MBT`s have done in the last few wars..

But in all its werry simple. The best tank is the one stil running after a campaign..

L.T

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by L.T

Its not a tank, but i have a big weak spot for the scorpion. In its day it was the best made "tank" and the two participating in the falklands war did more "setting fear into the enemy" than many MBT`s have done in the last few wars..

Two? You mean "two troops", not "two tanks".

Originally Posted by International Wikipedia

Combat use

Two troops from B Squadron, Blues and Royals served in the Falkland war. They were the only armoured vehicle used in action by the British Army during the conflict.

Scorpions also served in the Gulf war. The 1st Queen's Dragoon Guards a reconnaissance regiment had 32 and the close reconnaissance troops of the armoured regiments each had eight.

Originally Posted by German Wikipedia

Im Falklandkrieg kämpfte das britische Regiment Blues and Royals mit 4 Scorpion- und 4 Scimitar-Panzern.

Smartass intervention end.

[Schroeder]

Hmm, do I have a bad influence on someone.....

[Jimbuna]

The Scorpion was an exceptional armoured recon vehicle in her day (entered service in 73).

http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/scorpion.htm

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Hehehe yea great idea having troops that keep fighting even after they are dead, kinda like in Space: Above and Beyond where the aliens had never heard of life after death until they heard of it from us. They took it literally and they assumed that half the army of Earth was made of zombies and the only way to stop them would be to chop up the humans they killed.


....... why was that show canceled.....

LOL, I don't know, I never saw it, but wasn't there an Isaac Asimov story where humans introduced natural death to alien races?

[Bilge_Rat]

L.T., good post.

I had a chance to talk to an officer in the Australian armored corps last year. Thay have M1A2 abrams and he talked about it like it was a sports car. Apparently, they run drills on the firing range where they will take off at full speed and the firing system is so sophisticated that they can detect, engage and hit targets with the first shot as if they were standing still.

modern tanks are infinitely more lethal than their ww2 counterparts. The big problem, however, is that the accuracy, range and lethality of its adversaries, namely airpower, AT missiles and RPGs has increased even faster.

At Kursk in 43, the german army was able to use its Tiger tanks to blast its way through the enemy lines and feel reasonably confident that no weapon in the Soviet arsenal could hurt it. Any army that tries the same thing now will just wind up with a lot of burning tanks.

Modern tanks are now in a similar position to WW2 battleships, no longer decisive weapons, but still useful in a supporting role.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Hmm, do I have a bad influence on someone.....

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