Guy in Cumbria goes nuts,shoots a bunch

[Steel_Tomb]

Someone said on Radio 2 today, stuff like this happens almost annually in the USA... where as in the UK it happens about once every decade.

People can say "oh but there are loads of people shot dead in the USA every year"... I say to you how many people are stabbed dead every year in the UK? Hell, how many people are BEATEN to death with bear hands every year in this country? I don't know but being shot feels a little more civilised than someone kicking the living daylights out of you.

Another point I'd like to make, how many people shot dead in the states are people who are breaking into others homes or threatening people and getting a .45 in the chest? Pure statistics can hide an awful lot of facts behind them.

Btw, thanks Jim... I tried to make them fair! There is so much stuff you have to adhere to, but I don't mind... I just love to shoot. My M4 is an absolute hoot to shoot... and looks the mutts nuts too . A shame in some respects the .223 is only a straight pull, one reason why I got the .22LR to have a bit of fun down the range without emptying my bank account on ammo lol. I don't really understand why you can't have semi-auto in higher calibres? A .22LR in the right place will kill you just the same as a .223?!!?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Hell, how many people are BEATEN to death with bear hands every year in this country?

Oof. Nasty way to go.


(sorry all)

[CaptainHaplo]

Just goes to show you, had one of the victims been armed they might have had a chance to take this guy out before he caused further havoc and loss of life....

But concealed carry is a horrible thing says many......

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Oberon

To be honest, with the world we live in, the high stress society, particularly at a time when unemployment is high and money is low, I am surprised that more of this kind of thing does not take place. Heck, I'm sure that everyone has had a D-Fens moment but it's that key in psychology that separates those who do from those who don't.

I feel so sorry for those who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time...what a mess

The thing is even employed people more often than not now have too little time for themselves and for their family. A job should ideally provide both emotional and financial rewards. More often than not it's only the latter that's emphasized. Obviously people need many things aside from money such as emotional needs, social and solitude.

People are now resources, money making resources. Treated that way sooner or later they'll also believe it and lose touch to their humanism and treat others the same way too.

People need to get way from city life once for a while. In fact this is a must. Get away go to the mountain, a quiet beach, to get away from civilization and crowd. To find themselves again. To find bearing again, to cool down, to reflect and to relax. Prolong city exposure is very bad for people's mental health and soul. It's unnatural. There's a very humbling feeling being in the middle of a vast empty sea, or seeing a huge waterfall or even simply a huge rock or just simply listening to a distant raging river at night or camping in the forest at night.

People need to get way from city life once for a while. In fact this is a must. Get away go to the mountain, a quiet beach, to get away from civilization and crowd.

True, for great relaxation take a shooting holiday amoung the peaks and lakes of Cumbria

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Btw, thanks Jim... I tried to make them fair! There is so much stuff you have to adhere to, but I don't mind... I just love to shoot. My M4 is an absolute hoot to shoot... and looks the mutts nuts too . A shame in some respects the .223 is only a straight pull, one reason why I got the .22LR to have a bit of fun down the range without emptying my bank account on ammo lol. I don't really understand why you can't have semi-auto in higher calibres? A .22LR in the right place will kill you just the same as a .223?!!?

No prob mate...I reckon we're both singing from the same hymn sheet

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Like I said, you can't predict every eventuality... if he was a legal owner with the relevant checks then perhaps there were mistakes made in the past? People die every day, I'm not trying to play down this tragedy... but how many people are stabbed to death every day?

Knife crime in this country is so rampant that people aren't so surprised by it when people are killed as its perhaps regarded as "the norm" by them. Yet as soon as someone is shot dead everyone is up in arms fearing for their lives from the loony gun owners. It feels to me that there is a big social stigma in the UK against people who own guns, you say to someone "Oh yeah I own a rifle and go shooting at the weekends with friends" and they look at you as if you've got a screw loose. However if I were to say "Oh did you know I recently started archery" they would be like oh wow that's interesting... arrows kill just the same as bullets.

I hope this post has some kind of structure to it, as I'm in a bit of a ranty mood this morning lol.

How exactly are firearm violence and knife violence mutually exclusive? If you look at high violent crime nations like, unfortunately, Finland, you'll see that high firearm violence tends to occure side by side with high knife violence. If by legislative and other means it is possible to reduce the amount of firearm violence, by what logic will this increase knife violence?

To say knifes = firearms only makes me think that somebody needs to visit the optician, pronto!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Btw, thanks Jim... I tried to make them fair! There is so much stuff you have to adhere to, but I don't mind... I just love to shoot. My M4 is an absolute hoot to shoot... and looks the mutts nuts too . A shame in some respects the .223 is only a straight pull, one reason why I got the .22LR to have a bit of fun down the range without emptying my bank account on ammo lol. I don't really understand why you can't have semi-auto in higher calibres? A .22LR in the right place will kill you just the same as a .223?!!?

Oh, I forgot to ask earlier....have you tried those tater tots?

[Morts]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Just goes to show you, had one of the victims been armed they might have had a chance to take this guy out before he caused further havoc and loss of life....

But concealed carry is a horrible thing says many......

yeah, thats what we need, another guy shooting a gun in public.....

yeah, thats what we need, another guy shooting a gun in public.....

He has a point, many is the time I have been working out in a field in the middle of nowhere and been ready to shoot at a passing car just in case it happens to contain a nutter on the rampage.
Though I don't think it would have worked so well for that old woman who was cycling as trying to be quick on the draw against a loony in a passing car can cause the bike to wobble.

[Jimbuna]

Latest theory is that he was worried about a pending tax demand from HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) despite the fact he supposedly has a bank account with a £60k balance.

Latest theory is that he was worried about a pending tax demand from HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) despite the fact he supposedly has a bank account with a £60k balance.

The theory is that the tax and customs were after him because he had 60k deposited that he couldn't account for.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The theory is that the tax and customs were after him because he had 60k deposited that he couldn't account for.

Either way, this is the latest news......more clarity should come at 18:00 I hope.