Another example of why I'll never go into the deep South if I can avoid it

Torvald Von Mansee · 04-17-10, 08:52 PM

http://www.policeworld.net/vb/showthread.php?t=14347

GoldenRivet · 04-17-10, 09:09 PM

Well...

A. She was being a b*tch

B. The cop was being an A-Hole

C. Either the limit of your experience or the depth of your ignorance one must be VAST if you think this sort of thing only goes on in the "deep south".

Onkel Neal · 04-17-10, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

C. Either the limit of your experience or the depth of your ignorance one must be VAST if you think this sort of thing only goes on in the "deep south".

Shhh, let him wallow

CaptainHaplo · 04-17-10, 09:17 PM

God man - get over your racism and hatred of anyone not the same as the left coast.

"Oh my god - look - go to the deep SOUTH and get beat up by cops!"

Perhaps you would like to discuss the case of Oscar Grant - held down, punched and while held down - shot and killed. Happened more recently than your little episode - out there on the "lets all hug and get along" left coast - a little place called San Francisco...

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/bart-o...g-oscar-grant/

At least 2 cops there - the guy on the ground - beaten and then killed - and OMG it wasn't in the deep South!!!

Bad stuff happens everywhere - and it doesn't matter what part of the country. In fact, if you really want to look at incidents of police brutality - the West Coast is going to likely have a higher incident rate per capita.

Yes - a horrible thing happened to that woman it looks like - she very likely got the crap beat out of her by a cop who got tired of her drunk lip. At least she didn't end up dead....

Have nothing better to do than try to find a cultural or geographical group you don't like and run em into the ground? Oh - but its ok as long as they don't normally agree with you.

Despicable.

UnderseaLcpl · 04-17-10, 10:13 PM

Well, you now have one more reason not to come to the deep south TvM. People there don't like being stereotyped anymore than anyone else from anywhere, and I'm sure they would react to such thinking with hostility.

I'm not trying to bash you TvM. God knows I've been just as judgemental, and subsequently wrong, on some issues. All I ask is that you step back for a moment and consider what you are opining. You're equating the behavior of one person with the behaviour of tens of millions of people based upon where they live. Furthermore, you have forgotten that many residents of the deep south once lived in the North and other regions. What you're saying is hardly better than discriminating on the basis of skin color.

In other news, the video itself is questionable in its legal credibility. When I played it, there were sections of audio missing, though that may be due to the fact that I have a poor connection tonight ( it tooke like 5 minutes to load). The woman's belligerent and irrational behaviour, in combination with drunkeness, may well have resulted in injury to herself.

Personally, I think the cop probably did hurt her, but the question remains as to whether or not it was an intentional act. As stupid as that sounds, the legal system works that way. There have been as many cases of alleged police brutality being proven false as there have been convictions of police brutality.

However, no matter what anyone thinks of the article, the video, or the pictures, there is certainly no reason to believe that this kind of incident happens more often in the South. Even if it did, there is even less evidence to corroborate the idea that such incidents are commonplace in the South simply because it is the South, right?

Torvald Von Mansee · 04-17-10, 11:24 PM

So, conservative white guys (i.e., NOT black or hispanic or hippies or whatever) don't know where I'm coming from on this. Surprise?

I never said Bad Things don't happen w/cops outside the Deep South. They do!! I'm reasonably sure that it's far more likely to happen in states where authoritarianism rules, and the DS is certainly that. And it has a long and well established record of corruption in law enforcement. Once again, that doesn't mean there is no corruption anywhere else, but it seems to be on a different level in the South. I am reasonably sure I could mine numbers to back me up, but I don't care to expend the effort. You'd probably think I'm cherrypicking, anyway, and ignore it. I know I do when I'm pretty sure someone else is cherrypicking.

Freedom isn't "free to be X, Y, and Z, and everything else is persecuted."

GoldenRivet · 04-18-10, 12:27 AM

Speakin' uh which, i better get muh white robe to tha cleaners an have em wash off the blood stains.

Got us a lynchin' down in Anderson county next weekend and i don' wonna be the only guy what shows up like i aint got no manners and whut not.

Gonna get muh boy to sharpen up that yonder stack of pitch forks and get us some good torches ready fur nex wensdy night too... caint have all them colored homa-sex-shulls takin over this here great state now boy ya hear?

TvM... you realize of course you are playing on the EXACT same level as the racist trash you claim to hate so much when you make threads like that right?

I have been fortunate enough to travel all over this country... loved something and hated something about every place i have been.

open up a little bit my precious lil flower you might learn something.

Task Force · 04-18-10, 12:33 AM

Theres nothing rong in the south, just the stupid stuff that gets on the web... only difference is is some cultural stuff, and some peoples accents...

Flopper · 04-18-10, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

I'm reasonably sure that it's far more likely to happen in states where authoritarianism rules, and the DS is certainly that.

True. South Carolina, North Korea, Chad... peas in a pod.

Sailor Steve · 04-18-10, 01:43 PM

Boy, I'm sure glad I don't live in South California any more. Look at Rodney King.

And right below the video on YouTube is one labelled "Another Chicago woman beaten".

It happens, and it shouldn't. Some cops abuse their authority, and deserve whatever punishment the law can give them.

And no offense to anyone, but this looks like a blatant attempt to use one case out of a great many to point the finger at someone the poster doesn't like.

jumpy · 04-18-10, 02:42 PM

As a britisher (and therefore, viewing this from outside), it strikes me that a region of a country with a history of 'burning ******s' less than a century ago, ought not to feel too bad or put upon because of a persistent stereotype for being 'good 'ole boys'.
Statistics are not required... they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees.

For the same reason I don't like spending a night out on the town on a friday/saturday night in most of the northern town's I've been to - coming from the midlands (and not having a northern accent) and having long hair, but not a mono-brow that has no discernible divide between the hairline, I'm more or less guaranteed a kicking because I'm 'different' and 'not from round here'. It's grim up north, and there's a very good reason for it being recognised so.

The op doesn't say 'this only happens in the south', perhaps that's the inference that some wish to take, but it didn't come across that way to me - as ever you bring only what you already have to the table. Preconceptions can be funny old things. More often than not they reveal more about you than you would perhaps choose to show sometimes.

That said, there's no monopoly on racism and bigotry (as the rare incident here at subsim will attest), but stereotypes are just that, anecdotal but rooted in the truth and not just simple prejudice, else they wouldn't become stereotypes.
But ultimately the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence; it's always the same colour and you have the same chance of stepping in something wet and soft that leaves a smell you just can't seem to get out of your carpet, no matter where you go.

Regarding the footage, it certainly looks excessive - either she was a lot more aggravated and willing to self harm than the film lets on, or she got a good pasting from the only other people there. Whatever the case, the camera shouldn't have been turned off, if only to refute or corroborate police version of events.
Here in the UK (as far as I'm aware) when you are detained by the police, they then assume a 'duty of care' over you which extends to not kicking your face in, or ensuring that you cannot harm yourself - for their protection as well as yours, physically.
I'd say it's a good bet the cop gave her a beating, but if he had any reason to suspect she might hurt herself, then he should have covered his arse in an appropriate manner, either by leaving the camera recording or leaving the woman with another police officer present. All in all that was handled badly from where I'm looking.

However, I always think it's important to remember that if the police arrest you, keep you mouth shut and behave; they are not acting for your best interests, and until you establish where you stand in relation to what you may or may not be getting charged with after consulting with your brief, DO NOT TALK TO THEM OR VOLUNTEER INFORMATION, save to confirm your identity. Even if you haven't done anything wrong, but especially if you think you have.
this relates to the US better than the UK, as this labour government signed away our right to silence as a tacit admission of guilt... but there you go. Just because not everyone is out to get you, doesn't mean that some of them aren't.

nikimcbee · 04-18-10, 09:18 AM

motion to move subsim meetin' to USS Drum

GoldenRivet · 04-18-10, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

motion to move subsim meetin' to USS Drum

first submarine i ever paid visit to.

I was all of about 4 or 5 years old

TheBrauerHour · 04-18-10, 12:17 PM

Bad situation all around. The Cop should get investigated, and I hope justice is served.

As for the OP, judge yourself and the place you live, thank you very much. You have no right whatsoever to insult an area of the U.S. that is home to many of the SubSim users. Perhaps you could learn a lesson in tolerance. It may do you some good.

I would be ashamed if I spoke ill of others' homes like that.

CaptainHaplo · 04-18-10, 12:51 PM

Well don'tcha know that taking a single incident can prove a whole group of people are bad.

Take Australians for example.... I never knew they were racist cannibals - but all the proof can be found in a cookbook that calls for "fresh ground black people" to season pasta.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...est=latestnews

Sure - everyone is claiming its a mis-print and a mistake by a computerized proof reader.... its all just a cover up!

Anything taken individually - without any documentable pattern - can be twisted into anything. TvM simply did it out of his own fear and hatred for something different from himself. Just another example of the "tolerance" the left shows...

^ - look - a stereotype!

04-17-10, 08:52 PM	#1
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Another example of why I'll never go into the deep South if I can avoid it http://www.policeworld.net/vb/showthread.php?t=14347 __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

04-17-10, 09:09 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Well... A. She was being a btch B. The cop was being an A-Hole C. Either the limit of your experience or the depth of your ignorance one must be VAST* if you think this sort of thing only goes on in the "deep south". __________________

04-17-10, 09:17 PM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	God man - get over your racism and hatred of anyone not the same as the left coast. "Oh my god - look - go to the deep SOUTH and get beat up by cops!" Perhaps you would like to discuss the case of Oscar Grant - held down, punched and while held down - shot and killed. Happened more recently than your little episode - out there on the "lets all hug and get along" left coast - a little place called San Francisco... http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/bart-o...g-oscar-grant/ At least 2 cops there - the guy on the ground - beaten and then killed - and OMG it wasn't in the deep South!!! Bad stuff happens everywhere - and it doesn't matter what part of the country. In fact, if you really want to look at incidents of police brutality - the West Coast is going to likely have a higher incident rate per capita. Yes - a horrible thing happened to that woman it looks like - she very likely got the crap beat out of her by a cop who got tired of her drunk lip. At least she didn't end up dead.... Have nothing better to do than try to find a cultural or geographical group you don't like and run em into the ground? Oh - but its ok as long as they don't normally agree with you. Despicable. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-17-10, 10:13 PM	#5
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, you now have one more reason not to come to the deep south TvM. People there don't like being stereotyped anymore than anyone else from anywhere, and I'm sure they would react to such thinking with hostility. I'm not trying to bash you TvM. God knows I've been just as judgemental, and subsequently wrong, on some issues. All I ask is that you step back for a moment and consider what you are opining. You're equating the behavior of one person with the behaviour of tens of millions of people based upon where they live. Furthermore, you have forgotten that many residents of the deep south once lived in the North and other regions. What you're saying is hardly better than discriminating on the basis of skin color. In other news, the video itself is questionable in its legal credibility. When I played it, there were sections of audio missing, though that may be due to the fact that I have a poor connection tonight ( it tooke like 5 minutes to load). The woman's belligerent and irrational behaviour, in combination with drunkeness, may well have resulted in injury to herself. Personally, I think the cop probably did hurt her, but the question remains as to whether or not it was an intentional act. As stupid as that sounds, the legal system works that way. There have been as many cases of alleged police brutality being proven false as there have been convictions of police brutality. However, no matter what anyone thinks of the article, the video, or the pictures, there is certainly no reason to believe that this kind of incident happens more often in the South. Even if it did, there is even less evidence to corroborate the idea that such incidents are commonplace in the South simply because it is the South, right? __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

04-17-10, 11:24 PM	#6
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	So, conservative white guys (i.e., NOT black or hispanic or hippies or whatever) don't know where I'm coming from on this. Surprise? I never said Bad Things don't happen w/cops outside the Deep South. They do!! I'm reasonably sure that it's far more likely to happen in states where authoritarianism rules, and the DS is certainly that. And it has a long and well established record of corruption in law enforcement. Once again, that doesn't mean there is no corruption anywhere else, but it seems to be on a different level in the South. I am reasonably sure I could mine numbers to back me up, but I don't care to expend the effort. You'd probably think I'm cherrypicking, anyway, and ignore it. I know I do when I'm pretty sure someone else is cherrypicking. Freedom isn't "free to be X, Y, and Z, and everything else is persecuted." __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

04-18-10, 12:27 AM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Speakin' uh which, i better get muh white robe to tha cleaners an have em wash off the blood stains. Got us a lynchin' down in Anderson county next weekend and i don' wonna be the only guy what shows up like i aint got no manners and whut not. Gonna get muh boy to sharpen up that yonder stack of pitch forks and get us some good torches ready fur nex wensdy night too... caint have all them colored homa-sex-shulls takin over this here great state now boy ya hear? TvM... you realize of course you are playing on the EXACT same level as the racist trash you claim to hate so much when you make threads like that right? I have been fortunate enough to travel all over this country... loved something and hated something about every place i have been. open up a little bit my precious lil flower you might learn something. __________________

04-18-10, 12:33 AM	#8
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Theres nothing rong in the south, just the stupid stuff that gets on the web... only difference is is some cultural stuff, and some peoples accents... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

04-18-10, 01:43 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Boy, I'm sure glad I don't live in South California any more. Look at Rodney King. And right below the video on YouTube is one labelled "Another Chicago woman beaten". It happens, and it shouldn't. Some cops abuse their authority, and deserve whatever punishment the law can give them. And no offense to anyone, but this looks like a blatant attempt to use one case out of a great many to point the finger at someone the poster doesn't like. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-18-10, 02:42 PM	#11
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	As a britisher (and therefore, viewing this from outside), it strikes me that a region of a country with a history of 'burning *****s' less than a century ago, ought not to feel too bad or put upon because of a persistent stereotype for being 'good 'ole boys'. Statistics are not required... they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees. For the same reason I don't like spending a night out on the town on a friday/saturday night in most of the northern town's I've been to - coming from the midlands (and not having a northern accent) and having long hair, but not a mono-brow that has no discernible divide between the hairline, I'm more or less guaranteed a kicking because I'm 'different' and 'not from round here'. It's grim up north, and there's a very good reason for it being recognised so. The op doesn't say 'this only happens in the south', perhaps that's the inference that some wish to take, but it didn't come across that way to me - as ever you bring only what you already have to the table. Preconceptions can be funny old things. More often than not they reveal more about you than you would perhaps choose to show sometimes. That said, there's no monopoly on racism and bigotry (as the rare incident here at subsim will attest), but stereotypes are just that, anecdotal but rooted in the truth and not just simple prejudice, else they wouldn't become stereotypes. But ultimately the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence; it's always* the same colour and you have the same chance of stepping in something wet and soft that leaves a smell you just can't seem to get out of your carpet, no matter where you go. Regarding the footage, it certainly looks excessive - either she was a lot more aggravated and willing to self harm than the film lets on, or she got a good pasting from the only other people there. Whatever the case, the camera shouldn't have been turned off, if only to refute or corroborate police version of events. Here in the UK (as far as I'm aware) when you are detained by the police, they then assume a 'duty of care' over you which extends to not kicking your face in, or ensuring that you cannot harm yourself - for their protection as well as yours, physically. I'd say it's a good bet the cop gave her a beating, but if he had any reason to suspect she might hurt herself, then he should have covered his arse in an appropriate manner, either by leaving the camera recording or leaving the woman with another police officer present. All in all that was handled badly from where I'm looking. However, I always think it's important to remember that if the police arrest you, keep you mouth shut and behave; they are not acting for your best interests, and until you establish where you stand in relation to what you may or may not be getting charged with after consulting with your brief, DO NOT TALK TO THEM OR VOLUNTEER INFORMATION, save to confirm your identity. Even if you haven't done anything wrong, but especially if you think you have. this relates to the US better than the UK, as this labour government signed away our right to silence as a tacit admission of guilt... but there you go. Just because not everyone is out to get you, doesn't mean that some of them aren't. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

04-18-10, 09:18 AM	#12
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	motion to move subsim meetin' to USS Drum __________________

04-18-10, 12:17 PM	#14
TheBrauerHour Mr. Eastwood Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 364 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Bad situation all around. The Cop should get investigated, and I hope justice is served. As for the OP, judge yourself and the place you live, thank you very much. You have no right whatsoever to insult an area of the U.S. that is home to many of the SubSim users. Perhaps you could learn a lesson in tolerance. It may do you some good. I would be ashamed if I spoke ill of others' homes like that.

04-18-10, 12:51 PM	#15
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well don'tcha know that taking a single incident can prove a whole group of people are bad. Take Australians for example.... I never knew they were racist cannibals - but all the proof can be found in a cookbook that calls for "fresh ground black people" to season pasta. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...est=latestnews Sure - everyone is claiming its a mis-print and a mistake by a computerized proof reader.... its all just a cover up! Anything taken individually - without any documentable pattern - can be twisted into anything. TvM simply did it out of his own fear and hatred for something different from himself. Just another example of the "tolerance" the left shows... ^ - look - a stereotype! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo