Arizona bill to outlaw illegal immigrants...

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by tater

Found this:



At $15k a year, they'd pay zero income tax. Assume a full 15.3% FICA (ROFL), and you get $2350.69 a year in FICA. The average family size is 4, and there are maybe 12M in the country, but let's round up and say 5 million such families. That's a total tax revenue of $2350.69*5M=$11,753,450,000.

Almost 12 billion, wow. The Pentagon likely spends more per year on disposable cups than that. I've seen figures that suggest that illegals cost CA ALONE over 10 billion.

The "they pay taxes" argument is pure bunk, they cost more than they pay.

tater

PS—anyone, ANYONE, murdered by an illegal is a person who would have lived with the border controlled. Yes, I've seen the stats that illegals are LESS likely to be criminal, but the RATE is not the issue, since everyone they harm is an EXCESS harm. It's not like they displace other crimes with their lower rate, their lower rate adds to the whole. What is the cost of Americans murdered worth?

PPS—if you take the individual average income, and assume all illegals make that, and all 12M pay FICA, the total is all of $16,490,952,000. 16 billion. Still chump change, and only slightly more for the whole country than is spent in ONE STATE ALONE on illegals. Net loss, no matter how you do the math.

Excellent mathematic points. I was looking at some budgetary figures for California's Department of Corrections. Their medical budget alone IIRC is about $10 billion. Given that illegals probably account for 35-50% of those costs, California could greatly reduce its shortfall simply by enforcing the law. I doubt that will happen, though. So-called "conservatives" want their slave labor, and liberals want their voters.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by tater

After a bunch of travel in the 3d world over the years, I long ago came up with my own, personal definition of "civilization."

Civilization exists in societies that spontaneously form lines.

If you stand in lines and don't frequently hear, "I'm sorry, were you ahead of me?" or "No, she was in front of me, take care of her first, thank you." you're someplace uncivilized.

Sneaking in is like cutting a line.

So true.