Kaczynski >possibly< responsible for the crash

[Skybird]

Before you guys start trying to kill me again, please understand I am just the messenger of the news, not the author of it.

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/artic...en-Lotsen.html

The important part in this report is this, I translate it afterwards:

Ein Luftfahrtexperte von der Technischen Hochschule in Breslau, Tomasz Szulc, sagte, dem Piloten habe wahrscheinlich die „nötige Durchsetzungsfähigkeit“ gefehlt. Er erinnerte an einen Zwischenfall vom Sommer 2008.
Damals hatte sich ein Pilot wegen akuter Gefahrenlage über die Order des Präsidenten, direkt nach Georgien zu fliegen, hinweggesetzt und war in einem Nachbarland gelandet. Lech Kaczynski musste mit einem Auto nach Tiflis chauffiert werden. Das Staatsoberhaupt warf dem Piloten damals Befehlsverweigerung vor.

Die Fluglotsen haben kein Recht, dem polnischen Präsidentenflugzeug die Landung zu verbieten

The article refers to original reports in both the Gazeta Wyborcza and Itar-Tass that is quoting the vice supreme commander of the Russian air force.

Translation:
An aviation expert of the technical university in Breslau, Tomasz Szulc, said the pilot probably was missing the needed assertiveness (=Durchsetzungsvermögen"). he reminds of an ncident from summer 2008.

Back then a pilot had ignored direct orders by the president to fly directly to Georgia, due to the present danger of the situation [Georgia war], he landed in a neighbouring country instead. Lech Kaczynski had to drive by car to Tiflis. The head of state back then accused the pilot of insubordination.

Flight controllers have no legal power to deny landing permission to the Polish presidential plane.

Now add these hints together.

1. Just hours earlier, an experienced Russian aviator who knew the target airport and was familiar wirth the area, refused all by himself to land at the airport, instead he flew back to Moscow and landed there in safety.

2. In 2008, Kaczynski demanded to be directly flown into a war zone so dangerous that the pilot simply refused to accept that risk and refused to obey the president's direct orders, and ignored them, landing in a safe place instead.

3. Kazcynski had nothing better to do than to accuse him of insubordination instead of leaving the decision to the expert'S experience.

4. The plane yesterday tried to land four times in thick fog, ignoring the very urgent advise from tower not to land,and to evade to a safe place. This although the plane is more than twenty years old and ILS was not available.

Adding one and one and one and one gets me to a result of four. Pilot error? Maybe in that he should have refused to obey . To me it sounds like soembody again tried to get with this head through the wall - and this time the wall was stronger than his head.

The relatives of the other victims onboard might want to ask some angry questions.

Hold on, is Kaczynski some sort of Muslim or is he perhaps part of a secret global EU conspiracy over fictional demographics?
There must be some really serious ulterior motive for this to be persued after being asked in the plane crash topic to drop it till after the corpses were at least slightly cold.

[Storm87]

I thought about this option. We also talking about it in here, and about many other possibilities. But this is just guessing. It may be as you sayng, but also might be not. We don't know. And it's far too early for such discussions. The air is realy heavy in Poland today... So I belive it's not the best time for such speculations.

[Oberon]

Is there a strike on Oberon?
I thought them Green Godess machines were retired by now.

[Cohaagen]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is there a strike on Oberon?
I thought them Green Godess machines were retired by now.

They are - my old boy bought one*, to go with his AEC Mammoth Major and Dennis.

They only wheel them out these days to deal with heavy paranoiacs. Auxilliary kit is an eight-foot cotton sock to stuff into the mouth, and fist-sized plugs of cottons for the ears so they can't listen to shortwave radio.

Did I ever tell you that OJ Simpson faked the Mars Landing?







*he did

They are - my old boy bought one*, to go with his AEC Mammoth Major and Dennis.

I used to see a few of them as conversions over there, a couple of nice ones used to do the Run for the Sun before that got too commercial.

Did I ever tell you that OJ Simpson faked the Mars Landing?

Did he have a secret army of Nazi dentists to help him with the filming?

[kranz]

now on topic

Originally Posted by Skybird

3. Kazcynski had nothing better to do than to accuse him of insubordination instead of leaving the decision to the expert'S experience.

4. The plane yesterday tried to land four times in thick fog, ignoring the very urgent advise from tower not to land,and to evade to a safe place. This although the plane is more than twenty years old and ILS was not available.

point 3:it's pure LOL, how do u know?
point 4:true-it was believed yesterday that: there was heavy fog and the pilot tried to land four times BUT polish TV found a man who used to be a journalist or still is and he lives near this airport.(and he is a Pole)Ha saw the accident and said that there was barely any fog in the area-of course it's hard to tell where the fog was and whereas it reduced the visibility. And about those "4 attempts". It is only a rumor. No one saw the plane to change the altitude four times. Four circles around the area don't have to mean four landing attempts.(as it was said by polish aviation experts and pilots).