SH5 overtakes Assasins Creed 2 in Steam Charts!!!

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by Rip

There is a new version of POC? I loved that game on the Amiga, I would absolutely buy a version with updated graphics that would run under Win7!

Rip

Check it out here They even have adapted the old Amiga/PC POC to the iphone.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Commie

Check out torrent sites and see the traffic on those pirated games. You'll rarely find a game that has been downloaded more that a couple of hundred times, only the big so called AAA titles get into the thousands. Times that by 10 to get the majority of popular private and public game torrent sites and you still couldn't get anywhere near the ridiculous figure for piracy the companies quote.

Not to burst your bubble, and heaven forbid that we let facts intrude on your opinion, but you do realize those numbers that have been quoted are from the torrent sites, and not the publishers, right?

Modern Warfare 2 on PC, for example, may have disappointed at the register, but according to TorrentFreak's figures it's been downloaded 4.1 million times.

JCC

[Commie]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Not to burst your bubble, and heaven forbid that we let facts intrude on your opinion, but you do realize those numbers that have been quoted are from the torrent sites, and not the publishers, right?

What figures? The 4,000,000,0000,0000, pirated versions of MW2?

If they are indeed from pirate sites then why are you all getting in a lather about them? They are as believable as company PR!

Oh and I checked the torrent sites, and the total number of downloads for MW2 are far, far lower than the quoted 4,000,000 figures. Even if I doubled them, they wouldn't come up to anything even half what has been said. So your statistics are flawed old chap.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of promoting the old 'Pirate Bogey Man' right? Maybe you'll next quote 'Pirat34evah' from www.Ipirateeverything.com who says that SH5 has been pirated 11,000,000 times and that's why Ubi needed this DRM?

Originally Posted by Sonarman

It is pretty bad even for the smaller games like maritime business "Ports of call" it's creator Rolf Dieter Klein recently wrote on his forum....

"We have around 60% piracy of the platinum version and estimated 1000% of the boxed version (POC deluxe) - this killed the development for the boxed version as the distributor didn't get enough money out of the project."

Port of Call is ****house anyway, Data Becker quality, so old Rolf is just blaming a lack of talent on the bogeyman. Doubt that even a single pirate of that game (all 20 of them) would have bought it anyway. Wonder he didn't blame the 'J' word. Mount and Blade has also been massively pirated yet they are doing fine. Why is that?

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Commie

What figures? The 4,000,000,0000,0000, pirated versions of MW2?

If they are indeed from pirate sites then why are you all getting in a lather about them? They are as believable as company PR!

Oh and I checked the torrent sites, and the total number of downloads for MW2 are far, far lower than the quoted 4,000,000 figures. Even if I doubled them, they wouldn't come up to anything even half what has been said. So your statistics are flawed old chap.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of promoting the old 'Pirate Bogey Man' right? Maybe you'll next quote 'Pirat34evah' from www.Ipirateeverything.com who says that SH5 has been pirated 11,000,000 times and that's why Ubi needed this DRM?



Port of Call is ****house anyway, Data Becker quality, so old Rolf is just blaming a lack of talent on the bogeyman. Doubt that even a single pirate of that game (all 20 of them) would have bought it anyway. Wonder he didn't blame the 'J' word. Mount and Blade has also been massively pirated yet they are doing fine. Why is that?

Lovely chatting with you.

JCC

[Commie]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Lovely chatting with you.

JCC

Oops, sorry about that John, didn't see your caveat. Teach me to read all the posts next time. Sorry.

[gutted]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

"Silent Hunter 5, on the other hand, is likely to fare better since it has an established following who are more willing to put up with the DRM's requirements"

Pretty accurate statement if you ask me.

If it was any other game, i wouldn't have bought it. As much as i'd like to play AC2.. its just not worth it. It will eventually be bargain-bin. I'll check it out then.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Commie

But hey, why let facts get in the way of promoting the old 'Pirate Bogey Man' right?

exactly, why let pesky, easily verifiable facts get in the way, especially when they prove what a huge problem piracy is.

much easier to just make up your own, right?

[Commie]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

exactly, why let pesky, easily verifiable facts get in the way, especially when they prove what a huge problem piracy is.

much easier to just make up your own, right?

Where's the easily verifiable facts? From Torrentfreak?

I see you decided to ignore my VERIFIABLE facts about The Witcher game sales and those I posted recently about Galactic Civilizations II. Seems that the anti-piracy brigade likes to make up things and ignores reality themselves, right?

I like how you also ignore the fact that supposedly much more pirated games like Battlefield, Warhammer, Supreme Commander etc. STILL top the Steam charts! Funny that, I would have thought that since they are supposedly massively pirated then why are they topping the sales charts?

Funny how the anti-piracy brigade forgets verifiable facts when they don't suit their false thesis. Better to just blame mythical pirates and not poor quality, buggy, repetitive, poorly supported, often sloppily ported games for the PC's decline! :YAWN:

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Commie

Where's the easily verifiable facts? From Torrentfreak?

I see you decided to ignore my VERIFIABLE facts about The Witcher game sales and those I posted recently about Galactic Civilizations II. Seems that the anti-piracy brigade likes to make up things and ignores reality themselves, right?

I like how you also ignore the fact that supposedly much more pirated games like Battlefield, Warhammer, Supreme Commander etc. STILL top the Steam charts! Funny that, I would have thought that since they are supposedly massively pirated then why are they topping the sales charts?

Funny how the anti-piracy brigade forgets verifiable facts when they don't suit their false thesis. Better to just blame mythical pirates and not poor quality, buggy, repetitive, poorly supported, often sloppily ported games for the PC's decline! :YAWN:

my figures are quoted a bit farther up from several well known sites which all say the same thing. You can also do your own Google search and find several more articles that all say the same thing about CoD:MW2.

If you have any figures to back up your claims, post them and we will be glad to verify your backup. Otherwise, all I see is a lot of hot air.

[Nisgeis]

Wasn't the PC implementation of MW2 a complete mess and not what the fans wanted - the multiplayer was just broken, as you couldn't play against your mates, which is what everyone wants to do on a PC - none of this play random people you don't know stuff. But the game story itself had been massively hyped up? That's a recipe for piracy - a game that doesn't deliver what the fans want and isn't a worthy successor, but that you've been convinced that you must play no matter what by the hype.

Still, this isn't on topic.

[Commie]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

my figures are quoted a bit farther up from several well known sites which all say the same thing. You can also do your own Google search and find several more articles that all say the same thing about CoD:MW2.

If you have any figures to back up your claims, post them and we will be glad to verify your backup. Otherwise, all I see is a lot of hot air.

Kotaku is hardly a reliable source, especially as they base their figures on TorrentFreak, which then bases its figures on Bittorrent etc. The figures from Bittorrent include partial downloads as well, fake torrents

Even so you keep going back to MW2 a game which had a lot of issues regarding it's multiplayer content, and THIS is what has been hurting PC sales rather than piracy. Funny how you take some dubious figures and take them out of context.

Finally there is no proven correlation between piracy and sales figures. As I've said, The Witcher has sold over a million copies and was heavily pirated, which for a less well known product should have been far more damaging than your supposed figures for MW2. Funny that Spore, sold many many copies despite being pirated mercilessly according to the same source, as was Fallout 3, as was Dragon Age.

Could it be that poor PC sales were due to the lack of dedicated servers and no moddability for MW2 which meant that people were reluctant to pay top dollar for a 4 hour long game just as Nisgeis has said? It would be worth following that up.

I see your figures as ambiguous, especially when you compare the amount of piracy versus games sold of other titles.

Maybe I was too dismissive of piracy, but the weird figures one sees when comparing different titles makes me skeptical about it being a major cause of MW2 supposedly lackluster PC sales.

For me piracy is just an excuse for making shoddy games. Companies now justify lack of manuals, supplementary materials, QA by blaming it all on pirates. That's a crock and as a sim player like you obviously are, you should be treating that with the contempt it deserves knowing that sims were being abandoned long before the current 'piracy' trend. It's all about profit maximization and companies justify all their actions by saying 'were it not for pirates' we'd do this or that.