RIP silent hunter series - Page 3

Schunken · 03-03-10, 04:02 PM

Steve, we all know that several shops and online distributors send it before release day, isnt

And the question of proove is every time only ask when poeple have a critical view....when somebody yell "Hurra" its accepted without a comment....

Most of us all pull on one side of the rope....

So lets also be fair to poeple who have a critical view....Thats my point...

Andreas

CCIP · 03-03-10, 04:04 PM

I don't want to come off completely against critical people for sure. I'd just like them to be constructive - I have a vested interest in the survival of sub sims and the survival of Silent Hunter in particular, that's why threads like this always touch off a nerve with me.

Schunken · 03-03-10, 04:07 PM

I take also your point for sure....

But this place is not a Ubi Forum or a kindergarten. I trust the poeple here....and is common that somebody is not prooved guilty he can not judged. And he also must not proove that is is not guilty...

Lets be fair, 99% of the poeple here are loyal and serios.

Andreas

tonyj · 03-03-10, 04:11 PM

Chaps, would a guy seriously b bothered to fake a list of bugs just to get attention like this? Come on. CCIP agreed with my list. Shopto delivered to a number of chaps on here early. I was lucky enough to order before 5:30 and got it next day.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 04:15 PM

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I completely agree that people shouldn't be mobbing you or demanding "proof". That's just ridiculous. I originally wondered about your list of complaints, of course, just for constructivity's sake, and it's perfectly valid.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyj

Chaps, would a guy seriously b bothered to fake a list of bugs just to get attention like this? Come on. CCIP agreed with my list. Shopto delivered to a number of chaps on here early. I was lucky enough to order before 5:30 and got it next day.

Don't worry about it tonyj. It really is not worth discussing. Your list looks legit to me. Don't give up on the game!

The General · 03-03-10, 04:19 PM

Tonyj, you're obviously telling the truth. I kinda wish you weren't though. I haven't got my copy yet (still waiting for the download link, 'preorder' pah!

)and I am exasperated by the list of bugs you just reeled off. A couple are even game-killers by the sound of it

You obviously have been patched to 1.1, it's automated.

SH4 got 3 patches and an add-on right?

In the first month, if I recall correctly? The Devs are bound to fix the couple of 'game-killers' if they release another two patches right? Then the deck is cleared for the all-mighty Modders to sink their teeth into it, thus making SH5 the greatest Subsim of all time!!

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 04:21 PM

The first patch is already out. There will be more. SH4 had an add on. To be honest, SH5 is less buggy from the looks of it than SH4 was. SH4 survived to sail even up today or last night for me

The General · 03-03-10, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The first patch is already out. There will be more. SH4 had an add on. To be honest, SH5 is less buggy from the looks of it than SH4 was. SH4 survived to sail even up today or last night for me

You just mirrored my sentiments exactly

FIREWALL · 03-03-10, 04:31 PM

I already proved that holding gamecase in hand photo is bogus.

If one wants to prove it ... discribe contents inside of gamecase.

I did last Saturday.

So imo it's BS to ask someone to prove it.

Soooo... Grade school.

tonyj · 03-03-10, 04:35 PM

fingers crossed that these issues are fixed. thx to you chaps who do believe me. i guess to those that don't, when you get your copy, have a go and i think you'll see what i mean. some of those items may not bug you but the fact that no reviews are out yet, the PR has been shocking, that Neal, god bless him, has been quite quiet about this game must indicate that things aren't what they should be. There's certainly been no raving about how good it is. Crikey i wish i was wrong.

tonyj · 03-03-10, 04:37 PM

inside of manual, page 3...says

Table of contents

Getting started...04
Introduction...06
Games Modes...07
Multilplayer...10
Controls and Interface...11
Online log...31
tech support...34
warranty...35

Crimguy · 03-03-10, 04:38 PM

So few games are without bugs at release. I'm not an apologist for Ubi (I think i mentioned elsewhere that I'll pass on this one due to the DRM), but just about every title I've been excited about has been released half-baked over the past 3-5 years.

I think I'm having a bigger problem in what the OP posited was the "direction" that this title is going. It appears to be going away from any sort of fidelity. The problems I had with SH3 - the big ones - were thus:
Idiotic sonarman
DD's that could pinpoint you even though they were steaming along at 20kts and you were all-stop
Dumbed-down oceanographic/atmospheric model

In essence - while titles like 688 were striving to improve the simulation aspect, Ubisoft ignored what I considered to be of upmost importance.

Now, we have a title that looks very heavy on the eye-candy (which I admit I'm a sucker for) but has done little to propel the realism forward. I really do not care to invest in a conversation with a virtual bosun's mate. I want the above plus mechanical breakdowns, milk cows, true wolf packs, realistic command and control from OKM, fully modeled crew handling. From being on these forums for years I can confidently say that these are the wishes of many fans of the series. Can an owner of SH V tell me they have delivered?

OK, so Ubisoft decides us lunatic subsim fanatics are such a niche crowd that they are better off tailoring to the masses who want to blow stuff up while underwater. The game apparently is very modable, but the basics I mentioned (the top three for me) should IMHO be delivered with the original package.

If the AI is identical, why not just play SH3?

endlesswick · 03-03-10, 04:38 PM

I was at first disappointed as well. The frame rate was atrocious, that what was really bothering me, besides the many bugs. But I got the latest drivers for my video card, and frame rate improved dramatically. Then I got the patch, and it is as smooth as honey with graphics maxed, and many of the bugs I noticed were corrected. I am no longer disappointed, and now I am falling in love. Sure, there are still bugs, but no show stoppers so far, and I am sure these will be fixed in the coming months. I having been playing sub sims since Silent Service 1, and for the first time this represents everything I have always wanted in a submarine simulator. It really feels like you are there. It is going to be hard to get any work done for a while. Good job!!!

Jimbuna · 03-03-10, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyj

fingers crossed that these issues are fixed. thx to you chaps who do believe me. i guess to those that don't, when you get your copy, have a go and i think you'll see what i mean. some of those items may not bug you but the fact that no reviews are out yet, the PR has been shocking, that Neal, god bless him, has been quite quiet about this game must indicate that things aren't what they should be. There's certainly been no raving about how good it is. Crikey i wish i was wrong.

My concern is just how accurate you probably/possibly are

03-03-10, 04:04 PM	#32
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't want to come off completely against critical people for sure. I'd just like them to be constructive - I have a vested interest in the survival of sub sims and the survival of Silent Hunter in particular, that's why threads like this always touch off a nerve with me. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 04:15 PM	#35
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Oh no, don't get me wrong, I completely agree that people shouldn't be mobbing you or demanding "proof". That's just ridiculous. I originally wondered about your list of complaints, of course, just for constructivity's sake, and it's perfectly valid. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 04:19 PM	#37
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Speculation. Tonyj, you're obviously telling the truth. I kinda wish you weren't though. I haven't got my copy yet (still waiting for the download link, 'preorder' pah! )and I am exasperated by the list of bugs you just reeled off. A couple are even game-killers by the sound of it You obviously have been patched to 1.1, it's automated. SH4 got 3 patches and an add-on right? In the first month, if I recall correctly? The Devs are bound to fix the couple of 'game-killers' if they release another two patches right? Then the deck is cleared for the all-mighty Modders to sink their teeth into it, thus making SH5 the greatest Subsim of all time!! __________________ *THE GENERAL*

03-03-10, 04:21 PM	#38
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The first patch is already out. There will be more. SH4 had an add on. To be honest, SH5 is less buggy from the looks of it than SH4 was. SH4 survived to sail even up today or last night for me __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-03-10, 04:38 PM	#43
Crimguy A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In a trench outside Vicksburg Posts: 73 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	So few games are without bugs at release. I'm not an apologist for Ubi (I think i mentioned elsewhere that I'll pass on this one due to the DRM), but just about every title I've been excited about has been released half-baked over the past 3-5 years. I think I'm having a bigger problem in what the OP posited was the "direction" that this title is going. It appears to be going away from any sort of fidelity. The problems I had with SH3 - the big ones - were thus: Idiotic sonarman DD's that could pinpoint you even though they were steaming along at 20kts and you were all-stop Dumbed-down oceanographic/atmospheric model In essence - while titles like 688 were striving to improve the simulation aspect, Ubisoft ignored what I considered to be of upmost importance. Now, we have a title that looks very heavy on the eye-candy (which I admit I'm a sucker for) but has done little to propel the realism forward. I really do not care to invest in a conversation with a virtual bosun's mate. I want the above plus mechanical breakdowns, milk cows, true wolf packs, realistic command and control from OKM, fully modeled crew handling. From being on these forums for years I can confidently say that these are the wishes of many fans of the series. Can an owner of SH V tell me they have delivered? OK, so Ubisoft decides us lunatic subsim fanatics are such a niche crowd that they are better off tailoring to the masses who want to blow stuff up while underwater. The game apparently is very modable, but the basics I mentioned (the top three for me) should IMHO be delivered with the original package. If the AI is identical, why not just play SH3? __________________ -=-=-=-=-=- Crimguy

03-03-10, 04:02 PM	#31
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Steve, we all know that several shops and online distributors send it before release day, isnt And the question of proove is every time only ask when poeple have a critical view....when somebody yell "Hurra" its accepted without a comment.... Most of us all pull on one side of the rope.... So lets also be fair to poeple who have a critical view....Thats my point... Andreas

03-03-10, 04:07 PM	#33
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I take also your point for sure.... But this place is not a Ubi Forum or a kindergarten. I trust the poeple here....and is common that somebody is not prooved guilty he can not judged. And he also must not proove that is is not guilty... Lets be fair, 99% of the poeple here are loyal and serios. Andreas

03-03-10, 04:11 PM	#34
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Chaps, would a guy seriously b bothered to fake a list of bugs just to get attention like this? Come on. CCIP agreed with my list. Shopto delivered to a number of chaps on here early. I was lucky enough to order before 5:30 and got it next day.

03-03-10, 04:31 PM	#40
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I already proved that holding gamecase in hand photo is bogus. If one wants to prove it ... discribe contents inside of gamecase. I did last Saturday. So imo it's BS to ask someone to prove it. Soooo... Grade school.

03-03-10, 04:35 PM	#41
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	fingers crossed that these issues are fixed. thx to you chaps who do believe me. i guess to those that don't, when you get your copy, have a go and i think you'll see what i mean. some of those items may not bug you but the fact that no reviews are out yet, the PR has been shocking, that Neal, god bless him, has been quite quiet about this game must indicate that things aren't what they should be. There's certainly been no raving about how good it is. Crikey i wish i was wrong.

03-03-10, 04:37 PM	#42
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	inside of manual, page 3...says Table of contents Getting started...04 Introduction...06 Games Modes...07 Multilplayer...10 Controls and Interface...11 Online log...31 tech support...34 warranty...35

03-03-10, 04:38 PM	#44
endlesswick Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	I was at first disappointed as well. The frame rate was atrocious, that what was really bothering me, besides the many bugs. But I got the latest drivers for my video card, and frame rate improved dramatically. Then I got the patch, and it is as smooth as honey with graphics maxed, and many of the bugs I noticed were corrected. I am no longer disappointed, and now I am falling in love. Sure, there are still bugs, but no show stoppers so far, and I am sure these will be fixed in the coming months. I having been playing sub sims since Silent Service 1, and for the first time this represents everything I have always wanted in a submarine simulator. It really feels like you are there. It is going to be hard to get any work done for a while. Good job!!!