Another Falklands war?

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

The Colonialism debate somehow(lol) got started on here.Someone else pointed out, look how former colonies are doing now, most are third world and all the problems that come with it and not "free", prob would have been better off to stay under the Brits.

Well now that we look back at it seems they would have been, but that's also not noting that a lot of these countries that were colonized already had stable, well-formed governments running in them before someone else came along and decided "We're your sovereigns now. Deal with it.". India is a perfect example. The Marthans and Mughals and Sikhs had for centuries ruled over it and made it one of the most successful countries in the whole of Asia, moreso in many respects than China. Then the French and British began trading with it, there were disputes over who owned what, and eventually the British took over the entirety of it, reducing French influence to a near nonexistent level.

When the British were unable to control it any further (due not only to civil unrest but also the fact that their "empire" was gradually declining in capability because of the severe after effects of both World Wars in such rapid succession- speaking strictly on economic and military grounds-- which had forced them to relinquish lands to their former and rightful owners in favor of the homeland's well-being) and the people finally did gain the independence they had previously had 150 years before that, they were basically left with nothing but what they had- which didn't amount to much by that time; not to mention the confusion and mass dissent which is always a factor to show up when a nation is created or reformed drastically. The result of these things was civil war (excluding the effects on literacy and such), and now we have India AND Pakistan. If the British had just left the Indians alone and acted as a responsible and fair country, negotiating honest trade agreements, none of this would have happened in such a way.

Many will argue that it was their own faults, despite the fact that they were forced to be subjugates to a foreign nation and had what was in the first place rightfully theirs taken. And yes you will get further arguments when this point is made that that "Well- colonialism brought the savages all these wonderful new things, like democracy, railroads, etc." That's true, but does that justify the colonist nations' actions, which were motivated by nothing more than greed and yearning in the first place? Hardly. Furthermore, what good do these things do them if they're treated like dirt and driven about like cattle, not given the same equal treatment as their "sovereigns"?

The fact is, the British, French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, ALL of these nations that practiced colonialism just wanted to take over these lands that had natural resources on them for their own benefit, and they didn't care at what cost (immediate and future). Nor did they even try to consider what the effects would be given any number of possible future scenarios they might face. But it's not just India or Pakistan. It's also places like South Africa, Jamaica, Nigeria, Sudan, New Guinea, Malaysia, and the Congo. Countries like Egypt, Australia, and New Zealand however have done very well compared to their peers since they were given independence, though.

[Marcantilan]

Argentina is a signatory state of the 1982 Montego Bay Convention. Territorial waters has a 12 miles limit, adjacent waters up to 24, and Economic Exclusive Zone 250. The Ocean bottoms issue is a separate (and very interesting!) thing.

And also I must say that I´m bored about some posters attitude, that the "civilized" world is England and allies and we people down south are treated like naked indians.

And no offense intented for the British posters, specially Oberon who is a good chap.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Argentina is a signatory state of the 1982 Montego Bay Convention. Territorial waters has a 12 miles limit, adjacent waters up to 24, and Economic Exclusive Zone 250. The Ocean bottoms issue is a separate (and very interesting!) thing.

And also I must say that I´m bored about some posters attitude, that the "civilized" world is England and allies and we people down south are treated like naked indians.

And no offense intented for the British posters, specially Oberon who is a good chap.

Care to point out who you mean regarding posters with an 'attitude' because like Oberon, I'm also British and consider myself a 'good chap'?

[XabbaRus]

Me too....

[Marcantilan]

Originally Posted by ReFaN

Drop the bomb on them!

Originally Posted by heartc

Britain should leave the Falklands as soon as she wants to, and not a minute earlier. This crap of giving in to the whining and childish demands of third or second world nations got to stop. They can hardly run the lands they own and feed their people with propaganda about the evil world via their state run banana television to cover their own asses. Heck, sometimes I think it would have been good on the Europeans to stick in some places in Africa - or the Middle East, for that matter.

Anyway, didn't we have the same topic about 1 or 2 years ago? I seem to remember that.

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Argentina will pout and posture, but I seriously doubt they will engage in any activity of a military nature. After all, they were sent well and truly packing last time, and if they dare attempt round two, we will gladly oblige them once again.

Some countries never learn, and if they do, it's always the hard way. The Falkland Islanders are British citizens, they do not want Argentinians walking all over them. If they were given the island, where to you think these residents would go? They would be forcibly moved, and to my mind, this is no different from the German antics of WWII.

My last post was inspired on that.

Don´t get me wrong, my point is that I don´t have nothing about britons (I remarked about Oberon because is a very civilized guy, as you Jimbuna and XabbaRus BTW). In fact, I really like England and the British people.

Of course, I have another point of view about the Islands.

[Jimbuna]

Ah yes, now I understand

Apart from one thing....Oberon being perceived as being a civilised person, after all he is a Brit

[Oberon]

Thank you, and it's nice to be able to talk about such things without dissolving into emotional debates on the subject. I recognise you have a differing view than I on the subject, as has the entire nation of Argentina, and I respect that.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Ah yes, now I understand

Apart from one thing....Oberon being perceived as being a civilised person, after all he is a Brit

Of course I'm civilised, unlike you northern monkeys

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Of course I'm civilised, unlike you northern monkeys

Hey, I resemble that remark

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Of course I'm civilised, unlike you northern monkeys

There are people on the continent who believe that all Brits are... uh...never mind...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

There are people on the continent who believe that all Brits are... uh...never mind...

Bloomin' Jarmin

[TarJak]

Ah Britain the cradle of civilisation!



Just joking Poms.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Ah Britain the cradle of civilisation!



Just joking Poms.

Don't forget the breeding ground for our mighty army of chavs, innit.

[TarJak]

Puts on best cockney accent I can do: "Well done my son!"

[Nicolas]

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Originally Posted by heartc

Britain should leave the Falklands as soon as she wants to, and not a minute earlier. This crap of giving in to the whining and childish demands of third or second world nations got to stop. They can hardly run the lands they own and feed their people with propaganda about the evil world via their state run banana television to cover their own asses. Heck, sometimes I think it would have been good on the Europeans to stick in some places in Africa - or the Middle East, for that matter.

Anyway, didn't we have the same topic about 1 or 2 years ago? I seem to remember that.

What is this:

"They can hardly run the lands they own and feed their people with propaganda about the evil world via their state run banana television to
cover their own asses."

Which countries do that? Chavez, Fidel..

Be informed that a lot of '3rd world' countries can manage theyre own lands, and live in peace, people get educated and work, and have strong institutions.
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Argentina it's only opening the big mouth it has. I don't think will be any war.

About: Drop the bomb!!

And "Some countries never learn", sure, like a lot countries in europe that created the bloodiest wars, massacres, and horrible other things.