Memo to Ubisoft - Page 3

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 02:26 PM

'And some fell on stony ground'........

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

Do's Neal know you've taken over ownership of HIS website and are telling everyone what to think or say ?

urfisch · 01-22-10, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Agree totally, Kev, and a review from Neal could also answer things like AA, AF, Dynamic Shadows, FPS on a mid range rig, how good does the water look? Does the sub feel like it's on rails? How much fun is the first person mode? What options can be enabled/disabled in the game? How does the AI feel?

None of the answers to these issues will prevent sales here, other than a very small percentage who have already decided not to buy it, but a good review would establish a 'glass half full' feeling in the community in my view.

remind the new fact, stated last autumn about the mysterious "COMMUNITY DEVELOPER" that was to come? seems as if the idea wasnt worked out. it simply didnt happened, that the community was involved at all. so we wont will get any specials, except for an interview, or a few screens. you are not alone, when asking for reasons...

this leads me to the opinion, to face the fact: IT IS NOT WISHED TO GET US INVOLVED. we where not the main target group, compared to the release of sh3 (or sh4). things have changed.

they knew, a lot of critism was to come, if we would have been involved from the beginning. we have our wishes, that where washed out since years of playing subsims. a big amount of experience grew. most players wouldnt have signed the concept of this game, as it is now.

and they simply do not wanted to create such a storm of bad publicity, even before the game is being developed. the answers are always simple, but frustrating. money makes games, not passion.

sad, but true.

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

remind the new fact, stated last autumn about the mysterious "COMMUNITY DEVELOPER" that was to come? seems as if the idea wasnt worked out. it simply didnt happened, that the community was involved at all. so we wont will get any specials, except for an interview, or a few screens. you are not alone, when asking for reasons...

this leads me to the opinion, to face the fact: IT IS NOT WISHED TO GET US INVOLVED. we where not the main target group, compared to the release of sh3 (or sh4). things have changed.

they knew, a lot of critism was to come, when we would have been involved from the beginning. we have our wishes, that where washed out since years of playing subsims. a big amount of experience grew. most players wouldnt have signed the concept of this game, as it is now.

and they simply do not wanted to create such a storm of bad publicity, even before the game is being developed. the answers are always simple, but frustrating. money makes games, not passion.

sad, but true.

#1 SH5 post of the day imho

HundertzehnGustav · 01-22-10, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Do's Neal know you've taken over ownership of HIS website and are telling everyone what to think or say ?

did i claim that?
what is written above (STFU...) can be interpreted as "i am tired of this negativity and looking forward to the release, no matter what."

graaar!
should not let this destroy my weekend mantra.
*heads off to photoshop, painting some Naked girls on some Yankee Bombers*

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

did i claim that?
what is written above (STFU...) can be interpreted as "i am tired of this negativity and looking forward to the release, no matter what."

graaar!
should not let this destroy my weekend mantra.
*heads off to photoshop, painting some Naked girls on some Yankee Bombers*

If your tired of others posts why not take a break and play some sims ?

It beats telling everyone you don't agree with to STFU.

THE_MASK · 01-22-10, 03:46 PM

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

01-22-10, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

Obviousely.
And that's the way they expect to sell it?!

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Obviousely.
And that's the way the expect to sell it?!

Just to refresh some memorys. SH4 wasn't even playable the day it hit the grubby hands of the Preorder people.

Patch#1 was released the same day.

For those that know how to work the archives it's there.

urfisch · 01-22-10, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

not finished? be sure about that!

as firewall said, even when they "finished" the release version, the game will not be finished until its patched AND modded...

just remember...its hard, but its reality.

THE_MASK · 01-22-10, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

not finished? be sure about that!

as firewall said, even when they "finished" the release version, the game will not be finished until its patched AND modded...

just remember...its hard, but its reality.

Yes .

rascal101 · 01-22-10, 06:19 PM

By jove I think you hit the nail on the head

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Originally Posted by Deimos01

Development process of any Silent Hunter game.

1) Game is announced

2) There is much excitement in the community of what the new game promises.

3) Frustration grows as the devs release little or no new information.

4) Wild speculation ensues around the scraps of information that are released.

5) Wild speculation meets frustration which in turn generates anger and hostility.

6) The longer the game is in developement the more time this salty mix of wild speculation, frustration, anger and hostility has time to ferment which leads to unrealistic expectations of what the game should be.

7) Game is released followed immediately by more anger and hostility as unrealistic expectations arent met meets buggy unfinished game.

8) The mod community takes over and begins a slow campaign of improvements and fixes. As the gamers can then pick and choose the mods that suit them best, anger and hostility slowly turns to joy.

9) Devs announce next installment in SH series ---- go to step #2

10) Releases of all subsequent games in the series are also met with feelings of nostalgia for the good ol days of Silent Hunter (insert number here) which was the best game ever made.

Just a little levity brought to you by Deimos.

JScones · 01-22-10, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

Who do you think marketing gets the screenshots from.

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

You know, there is one very simple solution that will make you a very happy man...stop reading the forum if it bugs you so much. Much easier to change oneself than expect all those around you to change.

Otherwise, STFU and stop telling everyone else how to act.

Nisgeis · 01-22-10, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

You may have missed this TDK?

HundertzehnGustav · 01-23-10, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Who do you think marketing gets the screenshots from.

You know, there is one very simple solution that will make you a very happy man...stop reading the forum if it bugs you so much. Much easier to change oneself than expect all those around you to change.

Otherwise, STFU and stop telling everyone else how to act.

J...
I think that is effectively what i will do. I think i have a small clue whats going on, and i will keep my thoughts to myself.
And share the stored energy with some girl. Thats far more positive than to rant here.

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TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	'And some fell on stony ground'........

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