How do you think it would be if...

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

...the Axis had won the war?

We would have all end up driving Japanese and German cars.


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German scientists would be key to building rockets to take man to the moon


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The worlds electronics would be built in Japan


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We did win that war right????

Platapus,

good points. It seems that many of the nations that lost ww2 (including Finland) were able to emerge quite well after the war whereas the winners stagnated a bit. Maybe the sanctions etc. served as a thing that spurred on the economies of the vanquished nations.

And if the Axis had won? It depends what kind of victory it would have been. I think they would've faced a pretty tough insurgency of a kind.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Platapus said it all!
Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.
(Plus, as far as i know, Australia informed USA about a Japanesse Task Force moving in the pacific towards Hawaii, at 4th of December 1941. 3 days before Pearl Harbor. Saw these things on Zeitgeist. Conspiracy theories etc but they won me, to be honest. Seem true.)
Anyways, lets not forget that the allies declared war to Germany after the invasion of Poland and not vice versa.

And to be absolutely honest, i would give it a try living in such world.
The world today goes from bad to worse, so there mustn't be much to loose.

In my personal, copyrighted and owned by me and myself only opinion.

[August]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Platapus said it all!
Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.

What offensive stance towards Japan would that be? And for the record Germany and Italy declared war on the United States on December 11th 1941.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by August

What offensive stance towards Japan would that be?

I thought everybody knew about the economic squeeze the US put on Japan... here's one of many sources. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

edit: I just carefully read that article, I'm not sure I can fully agree with some of the authors wording or that "the leaders in Washington knew about the Pearl Harbour attack in advance"... but the general idea is there.

Maybe a better link: http://bellum.stanfordreview.org/?p=137

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Platapus said it all!
Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.

You do realize that this so-called 'offensive' stance (I'm assuming you mean the oil embargo) is a direct consequence of Japan's invasion of China, right?

[Lt.Fillipidis]

@Raptor1

I do but what does USA has to do witch China anyway?
Its logical for Soviet Union to have relations with China but USA?

USA had put an economic embargo on Japan but besides that i had read somewhere that were civilian harassings and expels towards Japanesse people on American soil. I cant remember where i read that or if i remember it right so i might be wrong. (It might be Zeitgeist though cause i learned much watching that.)


Plus, reffering to just anyone, lets not raise our voices in here.
I didnt started this post to start a fight, i started it so we all can exchange opinions under the subject.

Edit: Typo

[Torplexed]

The sanctions the US imposed on Japan initially in 1940 were minimal, involving items like scrap metal rather than essential raw materials like oil. What brought on the full embargo was when Japan decided to establish a "protectorate" over the French Indo-China, basically taking it over. This the US initially protested, then on July 25 1941 announced the limitation of oil exports to Japan and the freezing of Japanese assets in the US.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

One thing i just remembered reading the post of Torplexed.
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.
I wont ask what the hell was France doing in indochina. Probably the same what Britain was doing in africa and India or America in the pacific.

Edit: As far as i know, Roosevelt won his last elections but guaranteeing neuterality to the war, didnt he?

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

@Raptor1

I do but what does USA has to do witch China anyway?
Its logical for Soviet Union to have relations with China but USA?

What do the Japanese have to do with invading China?

To shed a-little light on the subject, one should keep in mind where the Roosevelt fortune came from. The opium trade. Just a-little food for thought.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

To shed a-little light on the subject, one should keep in mind where the Roosevelt fortune came from. The opium trade. Just a-little food for thought.

[Oberon]

[AVGWarhawk]

My guess is Japan would have to capitulate to Germany. Perhaps cold war between the two. Both could not rule the world. Germany would take control eventually. However, groups such as the FFI would still continue to fight. I do not think the confict would every stop.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

One thing i just remembered reading the post of Torplexed.
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.

What else were they supposed to do? Let Japan gobble up the rest of East Asia?

I wont ask what the hell was France doing in indochina. Probably the same what Britain was doing in africa and India or America in the pacific.

That was pretty ironic, though it should be remembered that Axis control of those areas would be much worse.