Senator Ted Kennedy Dead at 77 - Page 3

August · 08-26-09, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Next it will be called the Ted Kennedy Healthcare Bill

This family has been mixed up in things like women drowning in the back seat of cars and rape on the family compound. But, we will remember the man as 'The Lion'. Yea, ok.

I don't see Ted Kennedy being remembered for much of anything.

Once his usefulness as a martyr dies along with nationalized health care his faults, manslaughter, alcoholism, etc, will make him politically toxic.

mookiemookie · 08-26-09, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I don't see Ted Kennedy being remembered for much of anything.

Once his usefulness as a martyr dies along with nationalized health care his faults, manslaughter, alcoholism, etc, will make him politically toxic.

As I said before, I wasn't much of a fan because he did bring a lot of baggage to the table, but I found this list interesting:

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Do you like your state and not the federal government controlling the curriculum of your kids' schools? Thank Ted Kennedy.

Do you like being able to vote starting at age 18? Thank Ted Kennedy.

Do you think low-income people should get help with heating their homes in the winter? Thank the man.

Do you think the federal government should fund cancer research? Yep.

Do you believe that Meals on Wheels is a good thing? Ditto.

Does your daughter (or you, if you're female) like playing soccer or basketball or softball at school? That'd be because of Ted Kennedy.

Do you think that disabled people should be able to go to school? Have access to buildings? Not be discriminated against for housing and loads of other things? Kennedy, big time.

You like your cheap airfares? You know the answer.

You think people on welfare oughta get jobs? So did Kennedy.

You think mental institutions should treat people humanely? Yeah, so did your new friend, Ted Kennedy.

You believe that the Defense Department should provide child care for the kids of soldiers? Kennedy did.

AVGWarhawk · 08-26-09, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I don't see Ted Kennedy being remembered for much of anything.

Once his usefulness as a martyr dies along with nationalized health care his faults, manslaughter, alcoholism, etc, will make him politically toxic.

He got away with murder as far as I can tell. But hey, we all know people who can help cover up and get us off the hook right? Well...no we don't.

Aramike · 08-26-09, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

As I said before, I wasn't much of a fan because he did bring a lot of baggage to the table, but I found this list interesting:

I agree, he was on board for a lot of policies I support (even though the vast majority of his work I do not). That being said, it is very, VERY hard for me to get passed the Chappaquiddick incident to which I believe amounts to manslaughter at the very least.

Someone who did that being entrusted as a US senator is mind-boggling, to me.

To be honest, while I'll never say that I'm glad that he's dead, I'm really hoping this signals the end of this era of the Kennedy-name entitlement. I saw some good signs with the way Caroline Kennedy was shot down for the senate seat, but still ...

Funny enough that many lefties loved to liken the US to an empire, but they also love treating the Kennedy's as royalty.

mookiemookie · 08-26-09, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

That being said, it is very, VERY hard for me to get passed the Chappaquiddick incident to which I believe amounts to manslaughter at the very least.

Agreed - His name got him out of that one. Did he panic? Sure. Was it intentional malicious murder? No, it was an accident. A stupid one, but an accident nonetheless. But you're right...that would be enough to sink any politician not named Kennedy.

AVGWarhawk · 08-26-09, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Agreed - His name got him out of that one. Did he panic? Sure. Was it intentional malicious murder? No, it was an accident. A stupid one, but an accident nonetheless. But you're right...that would be enough to sink any politician not named Kennedy.

From what I understand he was drunk off his rocker. Just came from a party. Accident that was self imposed as I see it. In todays world he would be doing 10-20 with good behavior.

Aramike · 08-26-09, 03:42 PM

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From what I understand he was drunk off his rocker. Just came from a party. Accident that was self imposed as I see it. In todays world he would be doing 10-20 with good behavior.

Precisely. Why do you think is panic resulted in him running home?

Sure, most normal people would panic in the same situation ... but that doesn't mean they'd just go home and try to pretend nothing happened and leave someone to die.

I don't think it was panic due to the accident ... I think it was panic due to him knowing that he was responsible and trying not to be found sauced off his ass.

mookiemookie · 08-26-09, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

From what I understand he was drunk off his rocker. Just came from a party. Accident that was self imposed as I see it. In todays world he would be doing 10-20 with good behavior.

Like I said, a stupid accident. Due to his own poor judgment. And yes, his name kept him out of jail.

The privileges of power.....

Max2147 · 08-26-09, 04:11 PM

Let's just pay our respects to Senator Kennedy in this thread. If you want to argue about his mistakes, save it for another day. If you want to argue about the political ramifications of his death, start another thread.

Aramike · 08-26-09, 04:13 PM

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Like I said, a stupid accident. Due to his own poor judgment. And yes, his name kept him out of jail.

The privileges of power.....

Indeed.

But what really gets me is that we live in a democratically-elected society. These aren't members of some royal family that get away with murder due to their own decrees. This is a man who ultimately had to answer to the public - his constituents to be specific - and that public basically said, "no problem".

I apologize, but I can't get over the fact that the people who gave Kennedy a pass are mostly individuals from the far-left. We're not talking about a small percentage, either ... we're talking about millions of people over a few generations.

Mookie, I doubt you're one of them, but I have to ask ... would YOU have voted for Kennedy?

SteamWake · 08-26-09, 04:14 PM

Can anyone state some good things about poor ole Teddy, no really a positive piece of legislation or something... anything?

FIREWALL · 08-26-09, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

Let's just pay our respects to Senator Kennedy in this thread. If you want to argue about his mistakes, save it for another day. If you want to argue about the political ramifications of his death, start another thread.

I beleive Aramike started this thread.

Start your own thread and then dictate the terms.

Aramike · 08-26-09, 04:50 PM

The way I see it, life's like this: no one should have to pay more respects to someone in death than they do in life.

While I would find it to be bad form for someone to say something akin to being glad that someone died, I don't see that happening here. Also, I feel bad for the family but I doubt that they really care about that one way or the other. In any case, who can blame a familiy for loving one of their own?

The bottom line is that Kennedy used every ounce of his public image to his benefit and will continue to do so in death. As such, only he is to blame for such criticism.

Generally speaking, I've loathed the man overall. I've always found him to be lacking any sense of personal integrity. While I've agreed with some of his policy decisions, I find his character to be questionable, at best.

On the other hand, I have to respect the fact that this man was a political institution unto himself. I try to be someone who's personal feelings doesn't cloud my perspective of reality.

Besides, I would have far preferred if he'd been voted out of office versus leaving by default. It's a sad commentary on the state of affairs in this nation that he was allowed to remain in office.

FIREWALL · 08-26-09, 04:54 PM

Let the Kennedy Polictical Dynasty die with him.

GoldenRivet · 08-26-09, 05:00 PM

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The way I see it, life's like this: no one should have to pay more respects to someone in death than they do in life.

While I would find it to be bad form for someone to say something akin to being glad that someone died, I don't see that happening here.

agreed, and even though i dont rejoice in his death.

all i will say is... the man was a dirt bag.

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Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Let's just pay our respects to Senator Kennedy in this thread. If you want to argue about his mistakes, save it for another day. If you want to argue about the political ramifications of his death, start another thread.

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Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	The way I see it, life's like this: no one should have to pay more respects to someone in death than they do in life. While I would find it to be bad form for someone to say something akin to being glad that someone died, I don't see that happening here. Also, I feel bad for the family but I doubt that they really care about that one way or the other. In any case, who can blame a familiy for loving one of their own? The bottom line is that Kennedy used every ounce of his public image to his benefit and will continue to do so in death. As such, only he is to blame for such criticism. Generally speaking, I've loathed the man overall. I've always found him to be lacking any sense of personal integrity. While I've agreed with some of his policy decisions, I find his character to be questionable, at best. On the other hand, I have to respect the fact that this man was a political institution unto himself. I try to be someone who's personal feelings doesn't cloud my perspective of reality. Besides, I would have far preferred if he'd been voted out of office versus leaving by default. It's a sad commentary on the state of affairs in this nation that he was allowed to remain in office.