Contract Of Common Sense

[Myxale]

Solid Post mate!

Originally Posted by razark

You got my point, while completely missing my point.

If we all skip buying SH5, there will never be a 7 or 8, much less a 6.

Now you have totaly confused me, so now you say you want to buy sh5 ?

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Brag

Ubi devs visit this forum and other sites associated with our community and they listen.

I personally have no doubt that they do. However, the problem doesn't lie with the devs. The problem lies with the bean counters. Somebody has on their sig here that "all devs need to make a good game is time." When a potentially good game gets shipped too early that will have a negative impact on the companies reputation. Look at EA for example.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Hi Guys,

We're now on a 7 month run up to the release of the game. I believe that the game is scheduled to release in Australia on march 20 2010. If Ubisoft follows in the same footsteps as SH3 and SH4, that will put the European/US release of SH5 within a week of that date.

The pattern that usually emerges on this forum on the lead up to the release of a new version of Silent Hunter, is a mixture of excitement, anticipation and frustration, as people are seeking answers to questions relating to issues such as what technical specs will be required in order to run the game.

I think Silent Hunter 5 looks like an exciting new venture for us sub simmers, and I thank Dan and his team for all the hard work they have put into this new game. We have to look to history though and understand that it is highly likely that this game will be released in an unfinished state, and that it will require significant patching for 6 to 9 months after its release.

So let's accept now that the game will be playable when it's released, but it won't be a truly great sim until it's fully patched and the modders have got to grips with it.

I say all this because we don't want a whole load of bitching and moaning and people stating that Ubisoft sucks and they want to sue the company etc. We've seen and heard it all before and it's very boring.

While the vast majority of members here will understandably pre-order the game, hopefully from Subsim so that our forum benefits from the sales, I have made the choice to wait and purchase the game about 9 months after its release. There will only be a handful of people who do this, and in my case, I just don't want to go through the whole process of installing and uninstalling mods as each new patch is released. Been there, done that. Very boring.

I will purchase the game at the end of 2010. The difference between what I pay for it at that time and the $49.99 retail price I will donate to subsim. I will then patch it once, mod it once and then enjoy it.

Let's initiate a 'Contract Of Common Sense' though. We all know the pattern of how this will play out between now and December 2010, when the sim will probably have achieved the status of being the best sub sim of all time.

Let's celebrate what the game will undoubtedly become, and not moan and complain about every little thing we don't like in the meantime.

TDK1044 you come across as a very obnoxious man.
Whats your mission in life, to squash any critic of SH 5 ?
When a person spends his hard earned money on a product he is entitled to express his opinion on the game he just bought wether its good or bad and not you nor anybody else has a right to silence him.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But...but...but...


I agree wholeheartedly. I didn't preorder SH3, but I bought it the soon after release even though it was more than a month before I had a computer that could run it. I bought SH4 a little late, mainly because I was homeless at the time and had no money. As soon as I had the money I bought it and put it in my storage space with my computer. My old PC still doesn't run it well, but I play it anyway on minimum settings and live with it.

I'll preorder SH5, and if money is tight I'll buy it as soon as I can. Even if it's flawed, it's still looking like something new and different, and worth having. Hopefully it won't be too flawed, and will be working properly within a patch or two. Whatever happens, I'm in, if for no other reason than to selfishly say that I was there.

Steve, in many ways you are the moral compass of this forum. All of your posts come from a fair and honest perspective. You're a credit to subsim. If money is tight when the game can be pre-ordered, let me know. I'll happily purchase one for you and mail it to you.

[Sub Commander]

Be happy about them making a 5th installement, and I suck at putting all those files in the correct folders, allthough vista isn't much of a help either. So I hope Ubi makes it a bit good so I dont need to download all those mods with whom I cant do anything. I hope they got German Voices otherwise Ill buy the German localized version which I hope is German anyway. But Ill try to order the Special Edition if theres one, but again if they dont put a german option in there, then their blind

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by goldorak

TDK1044 you come across as a very obnoxious man.
Whats your mission in life, to squash any critic of SH 5 ?
When a person spends his hard earned money on a product he is entitled to express his opinion on the game he just bought wether its good or bad and not you nor anybody else has a right to silence him.

I didn't take him that way at all. His argument isn't with people who make legitimate complaints about something they have purchased. His argument is with the people who start screaming and moaning about how awful the game is going to be the minute they see the first trailer. His argument is with the people who don't make legitimate complaints about the problems once the game is released, but scream and moan about how the company sucks, and we've all been cheated, and how long are we going to let them get away with this criminal behavior?

I'm with him. There will be plenty of time to discuss the good and the bad once we've seen it, but this crying about how bad it's going to be based on one early video is useless at best, demeaning at worst.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Contact

Now you have totaly confused me, so now you say you want to buy sh5 ?

My first post was satire. Sorry if I was too confusing. My point is that if we don't support the series, the series will die. If the sales for SH5 are not strong, SH6 will never be produced. If sales for SH5 are not strong enough, patches will not be produced. The company will find other things for developers to do instead of supporting a game that nobody is buying.

Therefore, it is in our interests to purchase SH5, even if it is not as great as it could be. Personally, my interest lies in the Pacific with the fleet boats, but I enjoy WWII submarine warfare. I'll play a German u-boat simulation if it's done well enough. If SH5 doesn't do well enough to support future developments, I'll never see the series return to the Pacific.

Razark

[Sailor Steve]

Excellent points, and well made!

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I didn't take him that way at all. His argument isn't with people who make legitimate complaints about something they have purchased. His argument is with the people who start screaming and moaning about how awful the game is going to be the minute they see the first trailer. His argument is with the people who don't make legitimate complaints about the problems once the game is released, but scream and moan about how the company sucks, and we've all been cheated, and how long are we going to let them get away with this criminal behavior?

I'm with him. There will be plenty of time to discuss the good and the bad once we've seen it, but this crying about how bad it's going to be based on one early video is useless at best, demeaning at worst.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by razark

My first post was satire. Sorry if I was too confusing. My point is that if we don't support the series, the series will die. If the sales for SH5 are not strong, SH6 will never be produced. If sales for SH5 are not strong enough, patches will not be produced. The company will find other things for developers to do instead of supporting a game that nobody is buying.

Therefore, it is in our interests to purchase SH5, even if it is not as great as it could be. Personally, my interest lies in the Pacific with the fleet boats, but I enjoy WWII submarine warfare. I'll play a German u-boat simulation if it's done well enough. If SH5 doesn't do well enough to support future developments, I'll never see the series return to the Pacific.

Razark

Roger that That's some strategic thinking

[Grey_Raven75]

There's something else to think about here. It'll certainly send a message to Ubi if no one buys when the game comes out, but I think it may be the wrong message. As far as the number crunchers are concerned, low sales on a games release probably equals: "well, no more games like that." IE there's no market.

Now, obviously that's not the message we'd want to send. The devs probably read these forums, that's who we think we're sending a message to. But it's not their decision when a game ships. I'm sure they don't want to ship a buggy game.

We should just be careful that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot by not buying when the game ships.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I personally have no doubt that they do. However, the problem doesn't lie with the devs. The problem lies with the bean counters. Somebody has on their sig here that "all devs need to make a good game is time." When a potentially good game gets shipped too early that will have a negative impact on the companies reputation. Look at EA for example.

Originally Posted by Grey_Raven75

There's something else to think about here. It'll certainly send a message to Ubi if no one buys when the game comes out, but I think it may be the wrong message. As far as the number crunchers are concerned, low sales on a games release probably equals: "well, no more games like that." IE there's no market.

Now, obviously that's not the message we'd want to send. The devs probably read these forums, that's who we think we're sending a message to. But it's not their decision when a game ships. I'm sure they don't want to ship a buggy game.

We should just be careful that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot by not buying when the game ships.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by goldorak

TDK1044 you come across as a very obnoxious man.
Whats your mission in life, to squash any critic of SH 5 ?
When a person spends his hard earned money on a product he is entitled to express his opinion on the game he just bought wether its good or bad and not you nor anybody else has a right to silence him.

You'll find if you read other posts of mine, goldorak, that I frequently offer constructive criticism of Ubisoft as a Publisher, while vigorously defending the Ubisoft Devs.

Ubisoft has a reputation of producing games in both the PC and console formats that are playable but not yet complete. Last year they went on the record admitting that they had quality control issues that needed to be addressed. I hope they address them. They need to.

There's a fine line to draw here though. In the case of the Silent Hunter series, the profit margin for Ubisoft is not that great, and to needlessly hammer away at the only company producing subsims would seem to me to be counter productive.

[narco1966]

lets remember how technical this new version will be and be patient for when the modding and patching has been done the thrill of a good sim will be present ,no the best sim will be with us and i for one am waiting in the dark depths only to surface and get my copy and submerge again . On a serious note i hope there is some historical stuff with it as well .GWX is still tops as far as im concerned,and i thank everyone for that .Anything better will seem like nothing else you will ever "play".