Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It won't do a shred of good, as nothing will ever be good enough proof. They have already released the birth certificate.

That's a total cop out. It would do good. It would actually put the issue to rest for most people. Perhaps not everybody. But so what. Obama has something to prove. And, they have not released any birth certificate. They have released a COLB. Doesn't show his hospital of birth, and doesn't show the doctor who delivered him.

But it's not good enough. It never will be. So these ridiculous calls are ignored and treated like the lunatic conspiracy theories they are.

Quit your blind hero worship of this guy mookie. Most people who are concerned about this issue simply want proof of eligibility. There are many things which puts his eligibility in doubt. And the fact that Obama has actually hired a team of lawyers to hide his records doesn't help him. It actually lends more credibility to those who want the truth.

One thing these people never address: If he was not born in the U.S., why were birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961?

Explain that.

I have thought about that. And I'm not sure. But it could have happened after he was brought in from abroad. A newspaper announcement is not exactly a time consuming or difficult process. Simply put, I just wish Obama would stop suing to cover everything up and just release the damn birth certificate. Until then, I have my doubts. And Obama's actions only reinforces it.

[Sea Demon]

In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4."

But here's the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

Then it should be an easy thing to prove mookie....with the release of his official long form birth certificate. Right? Actually this could be over in 5 minutes.

I wonder who these so called "Newspaper officials" were. I like names for credibility's sake.

[geetrue]

Rather ironic ... Does vetting include who paid for your college, does it include the two passports someone had, does it answer who is a natural born citizen?:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/14/clinton-rips-vetting-steps-for-nominees/

Hillary Clinton rips 'vetting' process

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton blasted the government vetting and clearance process Monday, blaming it for long delays in announcing nominees for key positions in the State Department.

She also criticized the procedure's intrusiveness for discouraging highly qualified candidates from accepting senior posts.

"The clearance and vetting process is a nightmare, and it takes far longer than any of us would want to see. It is frustrating beyond words," Mrs. Clinton said. "I mean, it is ridiculous. Some very good people just didn't want to be vetted."

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Then it should be an easy thing to prove mookie....with the release of his official long form birth certificate. Right? Actually this could be over in 5 minutes.

I wonder who these so called "Newspaper officials" were. I like names for credibility's sake.

Like I said, it will never prove anything to you. So they don't waste time on it. As they shouldn't.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Like I said, it will never prove anything to you. So they don't waste time on it. As they shouldn't.

Yes it would. I would close the door on the issue if I could see a cerified copy of his long form birth certificate. Many others would too.

Your response is a typical cop out. And a lost issue on your part. So, Mr. mookie, since you're so convinced and seem to have all the answers...please tell us all which hospital Mr. Obama was born in, and who the attending physician was.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

It appears questions persist. Even amoung the level headed membership of Susim.com.

Sure do. I'm not satisfied with the seemingly brand new birth certificate produced. I think it was something that was truly overlooked as he was groomed and the campaign orchestrated for over 2 years.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Yes it would. I would close the door on the issue if I could see a cerified copy of his long form birth certificate. Many others would too.

Your response is a typical cop out. And a lost issue on your part. So, Mr. mookie, since you're so convinced and seem to have all the answers...please tell us all which hospital Mr. Obama was born in, and who the attending physician was.

I honestly don't care. Hawaii has validated the birth certificate and that's all that matters.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I honestly don't care. Hawaii has validated the birth certificate and that's all that matters.

Yet, Obama won't let anybody view his long form birth certificate. Actually, he's suing to keep it from being released. And the state of Hawaii has it locked up tight. And you still don't know which hospital Obama was born in, and cannot tell us who the attending physician was. I'm far from satisfied, and have serious doubts about his eligibility. And the proof is easy to provide. I wonder why he won't provide it. It's seriously a 2 minute phone call.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I think it was something that was truly overlooked as he was groomed and the campaign orchestrated for over 2 years.

Actually, it may just be that this is something they were hoping everybody would just simply miss. I can see that happening. It wouldn't be the first time they have underestimated the public. Remember Rathergate? I'm looking forward to the truth on this one. Eligible or not. Trust me, somebody is going to get to the bottom of this.

[geetrue]

This not just about a birth certificate

The first time Mr Obama brought up the fact that he had visited Pakistan was two weeks after his records at the State Department had been illegally accessed ....

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/1265554158.html

The Obama campaign did not respond to an invitation to comment on some of the speculation surrounding the visit to Pakistan or to provide further details about the trip.

According to published reports in Pakistan, Obama in 1981 also stayed at the home of a prominent politician, Ahmad Mian Soomro, in an upscale Karachi suburb, and went on a traditional partridge hunting trip north of Karachi. Soomro’s son, Muhammad Mian Soomro, is a senior politician who served as acting president before the appointment of President Asif Ali Zardari last September.

This is one too many coincidences for me.

The amazing and frightening thing about Obama is the vagueness surrounding his past. He's a cypher. Especially, the time around his college years. He has not released his college transcripts and records which would indicate the types of classes he was enrolled in and whom they were taught by-most likely far left professors like Edward Said and Rashid Khalidi.

They would indicate whether he applied to Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard as US citizen or an Indonesian citizen, not to mention how he paid for three private university educations c.f. financial connection to Khalid Al-Mansour.

As for his 'Spring Break' trip to Pakistan in 1981, besides the fact that Pakistan was one of the last places sane college students would holiday, the people he traveled to Pakistan with, The Chandoo Brothers and Solhal Siddiqui are Muslims, implying that Obama was at the very least sympathetic to Islam.

[Schroeder]

I only read half of the thread so please forgive if this has already been asked. I still remember a lot of lawyers fighting for who should become president back when Bush and Gore ran for it. Why wouldn't the republicans engage plenty of lawyers again to get rid of Obama if there was a chance to do so?

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by geetrue

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/1265554158.html

And here we have it...the most credible citation in this thread is a Houston area craigslist posting.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Mar...dRumor,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Mar...enship,00.html

PD

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I honestly don't care. Hawaii has validated the birth certificate and that's all that matters.

Why do I think you'd have a different opinion if Obama had an R after his name instead of a D?

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by August

Why do I think you'd have a different opinion if Obama had an R after his name instead of a D?

You should ask the same question of this soldier who's refusing to serve.

If Obama were a Republican, he'd probably serve under him as President even if Obama waved a Kenyan birth certificate in his face.

Why don't Mr. Obama's supporters just do the sane thing and prove all the tin-hat folks wrong by asking Mr. Obama to release the documents, iso spending so much money to suppress said documents. Sounds like a simple solution, no?

[August]

Originally Posted by Max2147

You should ask the same question of this soldier who's refusing to serve.

There were legal questions around Bush's first election, but the vast majority of Dems never questioned Bush's authority as President. I don't recall any troops refusing to serve under Bush because of the issues surrounding the 2000 election. I've heard plenty of Dems grumble that Bush shouldn't be President because of his policies, but I never heard any say that our troops shouldn't obey his orders because some sketchy things (might have) happened in Florida in 2000.

Well Max the vast majority of Republicans don't question Obamas authority either, but since you ask, IIRC there were several servicemen who refused to serve during Bush's tenure as President citing stolen elections and illegal wars as reasons for refusing to do their duty.

I had no more sympathy for them than I do for this latest shirker. Every one of them ought to be put in front of a firing squad.