EU-version of Windows 7 will come without browser - Page 3

Letum · 06-14-09, 03:38 PM

The head on the....? nevermind.

Anyway, read through the posts and you will find the answer to that question.

goldorak · 06-14-09, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You hit the head on the nail. You beat me to this post.

Now a lot of lawmakers are going to get beat up because of this simple oversight. Microsoft will not be the loser in all this, the European people will.

You guys are just so smart over there!

Opinionated to the point where you become useless.

-S

Man I wonder if IQ has taken a plunge recently reading some comments.
Joe Sixpack WILL NOT HAVE TO INSTALL A BROWSER, the pc will already come with one, preinstalled by the oem.
Whats so difficult to grasp about it ?
People who buy retail and install the operating system are a niche, a tech savy niche to whom this new disposition doesn't constitute a problem.
You guys are creating a problem from thin air.

SUBMAN1 · 06-14-09, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

Man I wonder if IQ has taken a plunge recently reading some comments.
Joe Sixpack WILL NOT HAVE TO INSTALL A BROWSER, the pc will already come with one, preinstalled by the oem.
Whats so difficult to grasp about it ?
People who buy retail and install the operating system are a niche, a tech savy niche to whom this new disposition doesn't constitute a problem.
You guys are creating a problem from thin air.

You assume too much.

-S

goldorak · 06-14-09, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You assume too much.

-S

No I don't.
And for the simple reason that Microsoft has already stated that by unboundling IE from windows, they will give the oem the choice which browser to install, and for retail they will offer a cd at 0 cost that will contain IE. Now tell me exactly where is the problem for Joe Sixpack or even for a tech savy consumer.

Q3ark · 06-14-09, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

On the contrary!
The EU is ensuring that they are competing; that the best product wins,
not just the product that is shipped out with other software.

It makes no difference weather windows ships with IE or not. People will download and use their prefered browser either way. It's not like windows is blocking access to third party browsers. It has always been up to the user which sofware they want on their system. The EU need not waste time and resources on this

Arclight · 06-14-09, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

No I don't.
And for the simple reason that Microsoft has already stated that by unboundling IE from windows, they will give the oem the choice which browser to install, and for retail they will offer a cd at 0 cost that will contain IE. Now tell me exactly where is the problem for Joe Sixpack or even for a tech savy consumer.

Well, if you put it like that.

From reading the first post this wasn't exactly clear; browser provided by OEM or disc at 0 cost, but that may have been an oversight on my part.

You got to admit that it is the first question that enters the mind when you hear Win will come without a browser. Even though the answer is simple enough, it's a legitimate question IMHO.

Skybird · 06-14-09, 05:27 PM

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1...9663073,00.htm

If only I knew what is so difficult in understanding this.

Arclight · 06-14-09, 06:11 PM

:rotfl:

That's the first time you provided a link to the source, and you ask what's difficult to understand about it?

*Anyway, to quote J.P. Gownder in that article: "The whole thing is pretty silly"
I agree, asking MS to distribute rivaling products with Windows is ridiculous.

SUBMAN1 · 06-15-09, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

No I don't.
And for the simple reason that Microsoft has already stated that by unboundling IE from windows, they will give the oem the choice which browser to install, and for retail they will offer a cd at 0 cost that will contain IE. Now tell me exactly where is the problem for Joe Sixpack or even for a tech savy consumer.

I am not speaking from the OEM standpoint. They will load the machine properly.

I'm talking about from the end user that wants to try and upgrade his own machine with limited knowledge. You assume they are all techies. They are not. They will of course get a quick education on why its a good idea to have a default browser on their system. Every OS comes with a browser. Even text based browsers like lynx for text based OS's.

Basically how stupid the EU government is can be summed up in that even for the knowledgeable, you just created extra steps. Extra work for everyone, OEM's included. You also just made it harder if not impossible for the person who wants to learn to take care of his own system too. Typical of the EU these days. Legislate without knowing the whole story. They legislate on a feel good scenario.

-S

PeriscopeDepth · 06-15-09, 01:45 AM

So if Apple reaches a certain market share % in Europe, will they be forced to pull Safari from their OS as it ships? And what is that market share %?

PD

Skybird · 06-15-09, 10:04 AM

A study in Germany says that on the German market, Firefox is now the most used browser, with a market share of 40%. IE 7+8 reach 38% together.

If counting IE6 from 2001 also, Microsoft takes the lead again due to an additonal market share of 12% for it's oldtimer.

Taking each Explorer version for itself, Firefox has left them behind, all of them.

Safari 3.1%

Opera 2.4%

Chrome 1.3%

The study was done in in April and May and involved 120 thousand German internet users. Regharding statistical validity, that is quite much for assessing the German internet user market.

http://www.welt.de/webwelt/article39...-Explorer.html

Good to see that Chrome is being ignored. The German federal police gave the strongest computer-warning in its history over this piece of code.

The consequences are clear. For the German market release of Windows 7, we need a special rule that reflects both Firefox' leading position, and Firefox' and Microsoft's shared dominance over Safari and Opera and chrome. It must be demanded that Mozilla distributes Opera and Safari, and that they and even malware security risk Chrome get pushed to 16% market share each , while Firefox and Explorer have to give up market shares.

That's for the sake of competition and improving product quality! Free choice for free consumers. And if you still chose the wrong one, we'll make you making the right choice!

Letum · 06-17-09, 05:09 PM

Interesting marketing of IE in Australia:
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/ie8/competition/

goldorak · 06-17-09, 05:19 PM

What of those using IE6 ? Are they to get lost also ?

Man, another proof the Microsoft hates its own customers.

Letum · 06-17-09, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

What of those using IE6 ? Are they to get lost also?

They better get lost before they are attacked by angry web designers who
have to spend far too much time making sure everything is backwards
compatible.

goldorak · 06-17-09, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

They better get lost before they are attacked by angry web designers who
have to spend far too much time making sure everything is backwards
compatible.

IE6 users, the zombies of the WWW.

06-14-09, 03:38 PM	#31
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06-14-09, 05:27 PM	#37
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1...9663073,00.htm If only I knew what is so difficult in understanding this. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-14-09, 06:11 PM	#38
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	:rotfl: That's the first time you provided a link to the source, and you ask what's difficult to understand about it? Anyway, to quote J.P. Gownder in that article: "The whole thing is pretty silly" I agree, asking MS to distribute rivaling products with Windows is ridiculous. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.*

06-15-09, 10:04 AM	#41
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A study in Germany says that on the German market, Firefox is now the most used browser, with a market share of 40%. IE 7+8 reach 38% together. If counting IE6 from 2001 also, Microsoft takes the lead again due to an additonal market share of 12% for it's oldtimer. Taking each Explorer version for itself, Firefox has left them behind, all of them. Safari 3.1% Opera 2.4% Chrome 1.3% The study was done in in April and May and involved 120 thousand German internet users. Regharding statistical validity, that is quite much for assessing the German internet user market. http://www.welt.de/webwelt/article39...-Explorer.html Good to see that Chrome is being ignored. The German federal police gave the strongest computer-warning in its history over this piece of code. The consequences are clear. For the German market release of Windows 7, we need a special rule that reflects both Firefox' leading position, and Firefox' and Microsoft's shared dominance over Safari and Opera and chrome. It must be demanded that Mozilla distributes Opera and Safari, and that they and even malware security risk Chrome get pushed to 16% market share each , while Firefox and Explorer have to give up market shares. That's for the sake of competition and improving product quality! Free choice for free consumers. And if you still chose the wrong one, we'll make you making the right choice! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-15-09 at 10:15 AM.

06-17-09, 05:09 PM	#42
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Interesting marketing of IE in Australia: http://www.microsoft.com/australia/ie8/competition/ __________________

06-15-09, 01:45 AM	#40
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	So if Apple reaches a certain market share % in Europe, will they be forced to pull Safari from their OS as it ships? And what is that market share %? PD

06-17-09, 05:19 PM	#43
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What of those using IE6 ? Are they to get lost also ? Man, another proof the Microsoft hates its own customers.