US Airways Airbus A320 crash lands into Hudson river

Konovalov · 01-15-09, 04:36 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5526723.ece

Wow.

Looks like some great work by the pilot. Not sure yet if everyone onboard is safe. If they are then it is truly amazing.

AVGWarhawk · 01-15-09, 04:43 PM

Yeah, just read this. Completely amazed the aircraft was in one piece along with all the passengers to boot

SteamWake · 01-15-09, 04:59 PM

All pax and crew survived.

Pilot deserves a medal !

Now I wonder how the hell there going to get that plane off the bottom of the river.

Enigma · 01-15-09, 05:11 PM

Hell of a job, Cap'n

Linton · 01-15-09, 05:33 PM

Have a look at the coverage on the Avherald.This is the second serious bird related incident in the last couple of months(Ryanair 737 in Rome being the other one!)

UnderseaLcpl · 01-15-09, 05:44 PM

Here's a dumb question; Couldn't they just put a wire cage or something in fron of the engine nacelle to keep birds from getting in the engines? Or would that limit airflow too much? I assume that there's a reason they don't do that, but I don't know what it is.

August · 01-15-09, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Now I wonder how the hell there going to get that plane off the bottom of the river.

I don't think that will be a big problem. A barge and crane or two ought to do the job pretty easily.

TarJak · 01-15-09, 06:03 PM

I saw some footage where ths plane was being towed by a tug boat to the shore so it was still afloat for some time after the landing.

From what I've heard and read it was a controlled landing with the tail striking first and the nose up. Textbook stuff from the pilot!

The main reason for no grille on the engines is that if anything does get stopped it would likely mess up the air intake and cause a loss of power anyway with no way to get rid of it whilst flying.

Linton · 01-15-09, 06:08 PM

Here is the avherald reference:http://avherald.com/h?article=41370ebc&opt=0

SteamWake · 01-16-09, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

The main reason for no grille on the engines is that if anything does get stopped it would likely mess up the air intake and cause a loss of power anyway with no way to get rid of it whilst flying.

One of the main reasons is because the 'grille' would build up ice, the ice would eventually break off and get ingested.... not good.

I saw a film somewhere where they were testing the GE engines that hang from an airbus, they fired all kinds of crap into the engine. More water than could ever be possibly found in a rainstorm, big chunks of ice, and turkeys.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=12096296

The engines dont seem to have any trouble dealing with them.

But as they say stuff happens and it usually happens at the worst time (take off).

Torplexed · 01-15-09, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

All pax and crew survived.

Pilot deserves a medal !

Presidential Medal of Freedom, now. Like, yesterday now...

He certainly won't have any trouble getting someone to buy him a drink in New York tonight....maybe ever.

Enigma · 01-15-09, 09:02 PM

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That is very difficult to believe.

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Birds cannot survive that far up.

au contraire!

Crazy, I know. But there it is. (That data come from the Bird strike Committee USA, and is backed up by the FAA. 'Twas apparently, a pesky African vulture. I've read somewhere of a bird strike in NV of some 20+ thousand feet, too.).

http://www.birdstrike.org/birds.htm

Here is an FAA report I found, reporting a bird strike at FL360. (36'000)

11/03/2005 2325 COLORADO SPRINGS, CO UPS28 B757 I UNKN 0 ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360. ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND CONTINUED ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

Kapt Z · 01-15-09, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yeah, just read this. Completely amazed the aircraft was in one piece along with all the passengers to boot

I don't know the whole story yet, but I was amazed as well as to how intact the airframe was. I've seen videos photos of airliner ditchings and most of the time the plane is ripped apart by the impact.

Hope the pilot's getting a bonus this year!

I think if I was a passenger he would be getting a Christmas present every year for the rest of his life.

TarJak · 01-16-09, 01:43 AM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/how...608949558.html

He did very well. I like the quote "if you ditch... you die"

A Very Super Market · 01-16-09, 01:54 AM

I've been proved wrong so many times, let's try this again. :P

Aircraft don't neccesarily destroy themselves on landing. This guy managed to control his descent, which prevented him from smashing the plane into the river. The fuselage of a plane is designed to withstand landing speed impact and scraping, as seen in the case of the Gimli Glider. Ditching isn't exceedingly dangerous, because you at least know that you want to crash. Fatal obliteration usually happen because the pilots have either completely lost control or are blindsided.

Now who wants to embarrass me this time ?:p

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01-15-09, 04:43 PM	#2
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01-15-09, 05:11 PM	#4
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01-15-09, 05:33 PM	#5
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Have a look at the coverage on the Avherald.This is the second serious bird related incident in the last couple of months(Ryanair 737 in Rome being the other one!) __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

01-15-09, 05:44 PM	#6
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's a dumb question; Couldn't they just put a wire cage or something in fron of the engine nacelle to keep birds from getting in the engines? Or would that limit airflow too much? I assume that there's a reason they don't do that, but I don't know what it is. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

01-15-09, 04:59 PM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	All pax and crew survived. Pilot deserves a medal ! Now I wonder how the hell there going to get that plane off the bottom of the river.

01-15-09, 06:03 PM	#8
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I saw some footage where ths plane was being towed by a tug boat to the shore so it was still afloat for some time after the landing. From what I've heard and read it was a controlled landing with the tail striking first and the nose up. Textbook stuff from the pilot! The main reason for no grille on the engines is that if anything does get stopped it would likely mess up the air intake and cause a loss of power anyway with no way to get rid of it whilst flying.

01-15-09, 06:08 PM	#9
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here is the avherald reference:http://avherald.com/h?article=41370ebc&opt=0 __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

01-16-09, 01:43 AM	#14
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/how...608949558.html He did very well. I like the quote "if you ditch... you die"

01-16-09, 01:54 AM	#15
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've been proved wrong so many times, let's try this again. :P Aircraft don't neccesarily destroy themselves on landing. This guy managed to control his descent, which prevented him from smashing the plane into the river. The fuselage of a plane is designed to withstand landing speed impact and scraping, as seen in the case of the Gimli Glider. Ditching isn't exceedingly dangerous, because you at least know that you want to crash. Fatal obliteration usually happen because the pilots have either completely lost control or are blindsided. Now who wants to embarrass me this time ?:p __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!