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Old 09-07-08, 01:44 PM   #31
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I really have to wonder what the definition of a liberal is, because what you describe as a liberal is certainly not a liberal by any stretch. Sounds rather like a social democrat. On the other hand, what you describe as a republican is what I would consider to be a liberal. Some serious mislabelling going on on your side of the pond.
Well, they also say billion but mean Trillion, don't they.
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I see what you're getting at, but it's the other way round, they say trillion but mean billion, at least for someone speaking German.
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Old 09-07-08, 02:29 PM   #33
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I see what you're getting at, but it's the other way round, they say trillion but mean billion, at least for someone speaking German.
Oh, is that a hole in my own foot...? I wonder how it got there...
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A friend of mine sent me these while we were discussing Palin. I forget the sources but I'd imagine that these are fairly easy to fact check.

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When asked last month about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every day?"

"I told Congress, 'thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge-to-nowhere," Palin said. Congress killed off the earmark well before Gov. Palin formally abandoned it. And while the bridge is in fact a dead project, the state still kept the money all $233 million in federal funds, for other transportation needs.

"That luxury jet was over the top," Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said to loud cheers. "I put it on eBay." Palin's statement implied the plane was sold through the online auction site revered for empowering millions of small entrepreneurs, and Palin's spokeswoman insisted Thursday that the transaction occurred. But the plane failed to sell on eBay. She sold it for a loss to someone she knew...hooking up the friend base while shorting the people of Alaska.

Under Palin the unemployment rate for Alaska has risen above the national average of 6.1% to 6.9%, and that's up from June's 6.7% high.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence." Palin implies that construction has begun on a major natural gas pipeline from the top of Alaska into Canada. That is not correct. In fact, no building has begun and actual construction is years away, if it ever happens.

Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%...
These funds provide supplementary educational services to students with severe disabling conditions. Without the supplementary services the child's needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.

Palin's husband Todd, was a member of the AIP (the party calls for a state vote that includes secession from the United States) from October 1995 through July 2002.

Palin's daughter Bristol, attended a school where abstinence only education was taught. Abstinence-only sex education is a form of sex education that emphasizes abstinence from sex to the exclusion of all other types of sexual and reproductive health education, particularly regarding birth control and safe sex. This type of sex education promotes sexual abstinence until marriage and either completely avoids any discussion about the use of contraceptives, or only reveals failure rates associated with such use. Palin has expressed her opposition to "explicit" sex education, and supports Alaskan schools to abstinence only education. Looks like Palin's message of abstinence didn't work, even with her own daughter.

2007 provided Palin with her only foreign experience, with a trip to Kuwait and Iraq. It was her only foreign travel apart from visits to Canada. Though she tried to squeeze in Ireland as a place of travel, where she had a flight layover to refuil on her return from Iraq.

Under Gov. Palin, Alaska applied for $197 million of earmarks for the 2009 fiscal year. And when Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 6,500, she was a champion of earmarks. In her second term, ending in 2004, Mayor Palin hired a well connected lobbying firm, with offices just outside Washington, which helped the town take in $11.9 million worth of earmarks. Leaving Wasilla $20M in debt.


Palin faces a state investigation into why she fired the Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan - the allegation being she fired him for personal reasons, because Monegan refused to fire a state trooper, the ex-husband of Palin's sister.


Governor Palin is an active promoter of Alaska's aerial hunting program whereby wolves and bears are shot from the air or chased by airplanes to the point of exhaustion before the pilot lands the plane and a gunner shoots the animals point blank. She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears and which would have also removed the aerial hunting initiative from the ballot and block the ability of citizens to vote on the issue. The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs. Palin has repeatedly opposed the listing of endangered animals under the Endangered Species List despite overwhelming scientific evidence that such listings are warranted.


As recently as August 2008, Governor Palin questioned whether man-made fossil fuel emissions are responsible for global warming, defying worldwide scientific consensus. And her drill-drill-drill approach to energy issues will do nothing to ease the causes of global warming, promote the use of clean, renewable energy sources, or break our addiction to foreign oil. Palin is a strong supporter of drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a vital wilderness area. It is home to hundreds of thousands of caribou who use the refuge as a calving ground, more than one million migratory birds, and countless other wildlife. It's the most important onshore denning habitat for female polar bears. Senator McCain himself has repeatedly voted to protect this pristine wilderness area. Palin is also a supporter of drilling in Bristol Bay and other offshore sites despite the risks to sensitive marine wildlife in the area, including the endangered polar bear and Beluga whale. Palin's sister owns a gas station as is part of big oil, holding back many Amricans.
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OMG Palins sister owns a GAS STATION!

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Burn the witch!
Hehe... That one was an oops. I didn't mean to post that one. That point was kind of a head scratcher for me and I don't think it's relevant wether or not her sister owns a gas station. The rest of the post I believe is relevant.

With all the extreme Democrat and Republican leanings here, I'm waiting for the brawl to start. I'm surprised we're not involved in a "Royal Rumble" right now.
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OMG Palins sister owns a GAS STATION!

Burn the witch!
Hehe... That one was an oops. I didn't mean to post that one. That point was kind of a head scratcher for me and I don't think it's relevant wether or not her sister owns a gas station. The rest of the post I believe is relevant.

With all the extreme Democrat and Republican leanings here, I'm waiting for the brawl to start. I'm surprised we're not involved in a "Royal Rumble" right now.
Well maybe it's more relevant than we think. After all they can't accuse her of being out of touch with the average person when her sister is a gas station owner.
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McCain will be the Pres and Palin the VP and guess who will be secretary of defense...? Ted friggin Nugent!!!
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OK, just one! My question is, why is it that all you foreigners even give a damn about what we do to 'our' country? All these things mentioned in this article have absolutely no effect on you. We drill, so what? We mine, so what? Its not your country. Has absolutely no effect on your environment.

Just curious.

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Subman, and all other Americans who may also have this unspoken question -

We have a saying where I come from, "When America sneezes, the world catches a cold".

What it means is that the USA is a fundamental player on the world stage, that a lot of whatever it does affects the world.

Case in point - the mortgage crisis. What started as bad debts caused by questionable lending practices has ballooned into a global financial crisis.

As another example, why is the US$ being used as a global currency of sorts?

So there is global interest, simply because the ramifications of US policy are felt globally.

We looked to Bush for leadership on climate change. Instead we got a flat rejection of the Kyoto protocol. It was only earlier this year that he tried to assuage global opinion by making some half-hearted concessions. Too little too late.

The last 8 years have been a disaster for the world. We do not want a repeat of a Bush administration for the next 8.
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Old 09-07-08, 09:00 PM   #40
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I will respectfully decline from entering this thread. Though I am tempted!

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Common Subman1, lets hear your position on the environment.
OK, just one! My question is, why is it that all you foreigners even give a damn about what we do to 'our' country? All these things mentioned in this article have absolutely no effect on you. We drill, so what? We mine, so what? Its not your country. Has absolutely no effect on your environment.

Just curious.

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So if your neighbour's a crackpot and has a drug den at his flat, you ain't got nuttin' to talk about right? or if Some middle eastern country decides to produce nuclear powerplants/weapons (starts with an I, ends with a ran:hmm, the US should sit tight and just watch... I wonder what would U did If u r kennedy during he uban missile crisis?... Mhhh think it's best just to leave them alone, after all it's their country not my business...

And that thing of not affecting nothing beyond the extraction site? C'mon man?! Clearly you've never seen a big minning compound...one thing that brough me to this site was the oportunity to have serious(kind of!) discussions about matters like this one. Do u really mean what ur saying when U've written that above... I'm not even start talking about by air contmination and oil spills from sea carriers, cuz I know they want to use pipelines, but remember, Alaska's not even adjacent to the majorty of US territory, it's more of an enclave surrounded by canada, ask any canadian if they are't apreensive about oil drilling up there...
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OK, just one! My question is, why is it that all you foreigners even give a damn about what we do to 'our' country? All these things mentioned in this article have absolutely no effect on you. We drill, so what? We mine, so what? Its not your country. Has absolutely no effect on your environment.

Just curious.

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Subman, and all other Americans who may also have this unspoken question -

We have a saying where I come from, "When America sneezes, the world catches a cold".

What it means is that the USA is a fundamental player on the world stage, that a lot of whatever it does affects the world.

Case in point - the mortgage crisis. What started as bad debts caused by questionable lending practices has ballooned into a global financial crisis.

As another example, why is the US$ being used as a global currency of sorts?

So there is global interest, simply because the ramifications of US policy are felt globally.

We looked to Bush for leadership on climate change. Instead we got a flat rejection of the Kyoto protocol. It was only earlier this year that he tried to assuage global opinion by making some half-hearted concessions. Too little too late.

The last 8 years have been a disaster for the world. We do not want a repeat of a Bush administration for the next 8.
We put a man on the Moon and elected Dubya twice....

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Glen Beck: "Is it true that the nearest tree from where they want to start drilling is more than 700miles?" No kidding... Trees in the ocean... in alaska... This guy just discovered gunpowde GDuh....
Glen Beck is a Douchebag... _Fortunately cnn international doesn't feature him, that vid was just enough for me...

Really I know there are a lot of republicans in the forum, could some of U direct me to someright wing analyst/comentator whatever that iis cometent and not a smartass like glen here? it's that there are increasingly big numbers of Aholes supporting both parties and it's very hard to get quality perspectives from either sides... but holy FSM, those Fox news kinda things are really getting on my nerves... I can't stand Zealots...
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And what the Fudge does the fact that Palin has a kid with Down S. do with the Polar Bear Lawsuit?! Who is this guy?

We have bad reporters in Portugal... but this is hilareous... these kinda of guys ussually are on the taverns at sundays, discussing the weekend footbal matches (the real one, with round balls, mind you:p), while being stoned drunk before 3 pm...
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So if your neighbour's a crackpot and has a drug den at his flat, you ain't got nuttin' to talk about right? or if Some middle eastern country decides to produce nuclear powerplants/weapons (starts with an I, ends with a ran:hmm, the US should sit tight and just watch... I wonder what would U did If u r kennedy during he uban missile crisis?... Mhhh think it's best just to leave them alone, after all it's their country not my business...
Can you tell me what any of that has to do with a country exploiting their own natural resources?

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And that thing of not affecting nothing beyond the extraction site? C'mon man?! Clearly you've never seen a big minning compound...one thing that brough me to this site was the oportunity to have serious(kind of!) discussions about matters like this one. Do u really mean what ur saying when U've written that above... I'm not even start talking about by air contmination and oil spills from sea carriers, cuz I know they want to use pipelines, but remember, Alaska's not even adjacent to the majorty of US territory, it's more of an enclave surrounded by canada, ask any canadian if they are't apreensive about oil drilling up there...
I think you need to take a geography class dude. A land mass twice the size of Texas and larger than all but 18 other countries in the entire world can hardly be called an "enclave", nor could it be considered to be surrounded by Canada seeing that their shared border is only 1500 miles long and Alaska has a coastline that is 33000 miles long.

Also I wouldn't worry so much about Canada seeing as how they have no problems exploiting their own oil resources. Google Alberta oil sands...
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So if your neighbour's a crackpot and has a drug den at his flat, you ain't got nuttin' to talk about right? or if Some middle eastern country decides to produce nuclear powerplants/weapons (starts with an I, ends with a ran:hmm, the US should sit tight and just watch... I wonder what would U did If u r kennedy during he uban missile crisis?... Mhhh think it's best just to leave them alone, after all it's their country not my business...
Can you tell me what any of that has to do with a country exploiting their own natural resources?
It's the principle of the thing (actually doesn't Iran's exploiting nuclear power plants fall into that category?) don't mess in other countries internal affairs, right? something the US have never done before (sometimes for the worst, sometimes for the best - I'm not one of those anti-USA guys mind you, quite the opposite!)

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And that thing of not affecting nothing beyond the extraction site? C'mon man?! Clearly you've never seen a big minning compound...one thing that brough me to this site was the oportunity to have serious(kind of!) discussions about matters like this one. Do u really mean what ur saying when U've written that above... I'm not even start talking about by air contmination and oil spills from sea carriers, cuz I know they want to use pipelines, but remember, Alaska's not even adjacent to the majorty of US territory, it's more of an enclave surrounded by canada, ask any canadian if they are't apreensive about oil drilling up there...
I think you need to take a geography class dude. A land mass twice the size of Texas and larger than all but 18 other countries in the entire world can hardly be called an "enclave", nor could it be considered to be surrounded by Canada seeing that their shared border is only 1500 miles long and Alaska has a coastline that is 33000 miles long.

Also I wouldn't worry so much about Canada seeing as how they have no problems exploiting their own oil resources. Google Alberta oil sands...
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