Georgian solders "borrowed" by Russian troops

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by Thomen

So, shipping's of petroleum, natural resources and technology is not considered help?

Oh yea.. for your reading enjoyment here is some American "propaganda":
http://www.history.army.mil/books/ww...endix-a.htm#t1

Damn.. according to your words, it was all a waste of time and money than.

Yes, it's a help, for which Russian would pay back by killing Germans
which would otherwise would kill US boys. Every killed German boy by a Russian would not kill American boy. Keep it in mind.

It was help.
But, please, don't call it this help something that without it the Soviets would not 'even have a fighting chance against the Germans forces'.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Yes, it's a help, for which Russian would pay back by killing Germans
which would otherwise would kill US boys. Every killed German boy by a Russian would not kill American boy. Keep it in mind.

It was help.
But, please, don't call it this help something that without it the Soviets would not 'even have a fighting chance against the Germans forces'.

What the Soviets saw and did in the East during WW2 is quite amazing really. Some of the roughest battles I have read about. They fought tooth and nail to defend their country. I find the Russian are proud people with a lot of heritage.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Brits Hurricanes Russians would call 'drova' ,i.e. 'flying woods'.
Hurricane was relegated to the areas of small combat activity, because it was no match to MsBf 109. Eventully it would be used only for trailing a young flyers.

Bell AirCobra - good catch if US did not wanna use it itself. Thanks. But no thanks.

But how about Soviet Yak family fighters, Mig fighters, Lavochkin/''
'La funf in der Luft'
Which allied factory would produce those Yaks, La's, and Migs?

The best scoring LW ace on western front had under 200 kills (cant remember the exact number, 140-ish?). That was (IIRC) Marseille, who flew against Spitfires & Hurricanes in N. Afrika. The best scoring LW ace fighting almost solely on the eastern front was Erich Hartmann, with 352 kills. See the difference?

The Soviet planes were badly outperformed against the 109s until 1943, the Hurricane is in many occasions labeled as "the plane that won the BoB". 109E variants, which also fought in the battle of britain, flew on the Eastern front aswell.

Also, AFAIK, Soviet Union got Spitfire too.

So, I REALLY dont think it was about the equipment. :p

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah but what about the P-40????

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

How about the p-40?

How was its performance against MsBf 109G -
the workhorse of Luftwaffe in Ostfront since fall 1942?

Soviets had to face MsBf109G.
That's why they were using their own La-5FN and later La-7
and NOT P-40.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yeah but what about the P-40????

:rotfl:

TBH, I have very little knowledge about P40 on the Eastern Front.

EDIT: Quick googling of few sources gave me this conclusion:

P40 wasnt as popular as the P39 within the Soviet pilots.

[AVGWarhawk]

The 40 would not have a good chance against the 109. However, was not the Cobra used in ground attack roll and not dog fight? I think it was effective in this.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

:rotfl:

TBH, I have very little knowledge about P40 on the Eastern Front.

Time to go to the book store! The P40 was used quite a bit by the Soviets.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

How is all of this relevant anyway ?

Yeah I know I shouldn't bother reading if I don't like it

It has no relevance. That is what makes conversation like this so good sometimes

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Brits Hurricanes Russians would call 'drova' ,i.e. 'flying woods'.
Hurricane was relegated to the areas of small combat activity, because it was no match to MsBf 109. Eventully it would be used only for trailing a young flyers.

Bell AirCobra - good catch if US did not wanna use it itself. Thanks. But no thanks.

But how about Soviet Yak family fighters, Mig fighters, Lavochkin/''
'La funf in der Luft'
Which allied factory would produce those Yaks, La's, and Migs?

Quit whining, SU was a great power when Barbarossa started, agressive murdering power allied to Third Reich. Cry me a river...
Funny how Finnish pilots were able to fly anything with a propeller and shoot down thousands of Soviets.

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What the Soviets saw and did in the East during WW2 is quite amazing really. Some of the roughest battles I have read about. They fought tooth and nail to defend their country. I find the Russian are proud people with a lot of heritage.

Yes, you helped.
Yes, Soviets and Americans has a great history of cooperation and friendship.

That's why they should be friends and partners respecting each others needs and priorities.
They used to fight together and call each other allies
GOD FORBIDS!! they start fighting each other directly!!!

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

And let's not forget the Hurricanes Soviets got.

...and jeeps and trucks and fuel oil and medicine and more, several million tons worth. Not to mention the many American, British and Canadian lives we lost getting those supplies through the German gauntlet.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

:rotfl:

TBH, I have very little knowledge about P40 on the Eastern Front.

EDIT: Quick googling of few sources gave me this conclusion:

P40 wasnt as popular as the P39 within the Soviet pilots.

The Allies shipped the following planes during WW2:

A-20, Bomber (Light) / 1,269
DB-7, Bomber (Light) / 151
B-25, Bomber (Med.) / 124
P-39, Fighter / 2,030
P-40 Fighter / 1,091
P-47, Fighter / 188
AT-6, Trainer / 21

It seems that there are some types and numbers missing, since the overall number of delivered planes is given as 47,874.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Time to go to the book store! The P40 was used quite a bit by the Soviets.

Actually, I did read few sources after I posted my reply and most of them said the the P40 was used mostly as CAS and fighter sweeps on the defence of Lenigrad.

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Quit whining, SU was a great power when Barbarossa started, agressive murdering power allied to Third Reich. Cry me a river...
Funny how Finnish pilots were able to fly anything with a propeller and shoot down thousands of Soviets.

Good point. :hmm:

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

...and jeeps and trucks and fuel oil and medicine and more, several million tons worth. Not to mention the many American, British and Canadian lives we lost getting those supplies through the German gauntlet.