problems with video card - Page 3

longam · 08-22-08, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by seaniam81

I didn't have to remove the old drivers it was a fresh format and install of XP... I wonder if SP3 would help...

Does that copy of windows come with SP2?

C DuDe · 08-22-08, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by clayp

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Originally Posted by CoolHand

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Originally Posted by C DuDe

@Seaniam81

Did you uninstall the old drivers prior of putting in the new Card?
If you did, did you ensure you got rid of all files?
Sometimes files in System 32 stay in place as do strings in the Regedit which could cause problems.
Try Driver Sweeper or and Driver Cleaner Pro to make sure those files and strings get deleted but before you do that uninstall the Hardware in the Device Manager, reboot and startup in Safe Mode, then run the proggies one at a time.
(Driver Cleaner Pro is a slow process which takes forever... Might want to let it do it's thing over night).
hen Reboot,
After all the cleaning restart XP and do not let XP auto detect "New Hardware".
Install the latest drivers.

you shouldn't EVER have to install drivers in safe mode. if so then there is more problems then just the drivers. you may have to wipe the hard drive completely. do a FULL FORMAT not that quick bull**** that doesn't do the job that full format does. and reinstall windows, install video drivers first, then motherboard drivers, then sound drivers, then proced to update windows. install SP1, then SP2, then SP3

uninstall old drivers, DON'T REBOOT, run drive cleaner pro, should only take a minute or so.

Reboot system, when it says found new hardware, you can then tell it to install drivers from specific location. i've done this with no problems. otherwise cancel that out.

install downloaded drivers from link i put up, reboot. adjust settings

if its still causing you problems then idk what to say. i've never had a single problem installing new video cards ever.

I totaly agree,the only step you left out I belive is to 1st step remove drivers from the "add remove program"..I never have a problem either..

I never said to install in safe mode... just run the proggies (Driver Sweeper & Driver cleaner Pro), after that you reboot and stop XP finding the new hardware then install the video card drivers.

Sorry if this wasn't clear enough!

seaniam81 · 08-22-08, 10:40 AM

Yep I cleaned out all the old drivers using that program

Peto · 08-22-08, 10:59 AM

What is your make and model of Motherboard. It's a slow day here at the computer shop so maybe I can figure out what's happening with your rig.

08-22-08, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by longam

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Originally Posted by seaniam81

I didn't have to remove the old drivers it was a fresh format and install of XP... I wonder if SP3 would help...

Does that copy of windows come with SP2?

The latest copy of XP comes with SP2 built-in already (been out for a year, I think, not sure). The service pack number shouldn't have any effect on the video card, however (at least not as far as I know).

BTW, once installed, definately go to the Windoz update site and get SP3 anyway.

Peto · 08-22-08, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zayphod

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Originally Posted by longam

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Originally Posted by seaniam81

I didn't have to remove the old drivers it was a fresh format and install of XP... I wonder if SP3 would help...

Does that copy of windows come with SP2?

The latest copy of XP comes with SP2 built-in already (been out for a year, I think, not sure). The service pack number shouldn't have any effect on the video card, however (at least not as far as I know).

BTW, once installed, definately go to the Windoz update site and get SP3 anyway.

But watch out if you use AMD!!! There have been problems with SP3 update causing some AMD to go into an eternal reboot loop. It frequently requires a complete reload of the OS to fix!

seaniam81 · 08-23-08, 12:44 PM

It's an Acer MB, the BIOS says its an FG965M, I'm told it can handle a 8800 so why wouldn't it be able to handle a 9600?

Phrozin · 08-23-08, 01:30 PM

Have you tried using the Omega drivers yet? Just a thought, in their tweaking they might have fixed a problem they didn't even know existed.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/nvidia_winxp.php

If drivers don't fix it then I would assume it has to be a backward compatibility issue.

as for 8800 working and not a 9600, some 8800's are still PCIe x16, and as far as I know all 9600 GT's are PCIe X16 2.0.

I searched but couldn't find any detailed specs on your motherboard, so it may very well be a PCIe X16 1.0a. Maybe Sisoft Sandra can tell you what you need to know? (provided you have onboard video or the old card still.)

Peto · 08-23-08, 03:48 PM

I poked around some and am sorry to say I haven't found any answers for you. It looks like you've tried many options with video drivers so I kind of think you've covered your bases there (Probably). There is the potential that it is a Chipset issue though--and that can be ticklish to deal with.

I hope to be able to do some more looking around for you but my slow day has come and gone--I'm a little jammed up today...

CoolHand · 08-23-08, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by seaniam81

It's an Acer MB, the BIOS says its an FG965M, I'm told it can handle a 8800 so why wouldn't it be able to handle a 9600?

Acer doesn't make motherboards that i'm aware of. i've searched all over the internet and haven't seen one yet.

download a utility called CPU-Z

http://www.filehippo.com/download_cpuz/

that will tell you what kind of motherboard was used

Arclight · 08-23-08, 05:27 PM

Dug up some specs on the "Intel® 965 Express Chipset Family":

http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/313053.pdf

PCI Express* Interface (82Q965, 82G965, 82P965 (G)MCHonly)
- One x16 PCI Express port
- Compatible with the PCI Express Base Specification, Revision 1.1a
- Raw bit rate on data pins of 2.5 Gb/s resulting in a realbandwidth per pair of 250 MB/s

1.1a?

I can't make sense of this, but maybe someone more knowledgeable around here will find it usefull.

CoolHand · 08-23-08, 06:10 PM

1.1a is 2.0 capable. hell i know a few people with 1.0a PCI X16 that have 2.0 cards in them.

run that CPU utility that i posted. it doesn't install it just runs as a background program and once you x out of it, it's no longer running.

that will tell us what motherboard maker is really in your system.

seaniam81 · 08-23-08, 11:03 PM

well I'll try updating my chipset and then flash a BIOS update I found for my Acer MB (yep it's an acer stupid OEM)

seaniam81 · 08-23-08, 11:50 PM

I flashed my BIOS and it worked

For all those who helped thank you very much. This just proves the people here are the very best. Now those Japs better watch out

Peto · 08-24-08, 01:33 AM

Congrats!!!

I wasn't going to say anything as I figured I might be too late anyway but as a computer tech, the thing I always consider a last ditch resort (and the thing I fear to do most) is Phlash a BIOS

. That's a throw back to the old days when if the phlash didn't work, you were left with a dead motherboard

.

Today it's not so bad and BIOS' are usually made with a little more "forgiveness" than they used to be.

Very Glad You got 'er Workin'!!!

08-22-08, 10:40 AM	#33
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	Yep I cleaned out all the old drivers using that program __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

08-22-08, 10:59 AM	#34
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	What is your make and model of Motherboard. It's a slow day here at the computer shop so maybe I can figure out what's happening with your rig. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

08-23-08, 12:44 PM	#37
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	It's an Acer MB, the BIOS says its an FG965M, I'm told it can handle a 8800 so why wouldn't it be able to handle a 9600? __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

08-23-08, 03:48 PM	#39
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I poked around some and am sorry to say I haven't found any answers for you. It looks like you've tried many options with video drivers so I kind of think you've covered your bases there (Probably). There is the potential that it is a Chipset issue though--and that can be ticklish to deal with. I hope to be able to do some more looking around for you but my slow day has come and gone--I'm a little jammed up today... __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

08-23-08, 05:27 PM	#41
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Dug up some specs on the "Intel® 965 Express Chipset Family": http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/313053.pdf *PCI Express Interface (82Q965, 82G965, 82P965 (G)MCHonly)** - One x16 PCI Express port - Compatible with the PCI Express Base Specification, Revision 1.1a - Raw bit rate on data pins of 2.5 Gb/s resulting in a realbandwidth per pair of 250 MB/s 1.1a? I can't make sense of this, but maybe someone more knowledgeable around here will find it usefull. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-23-08, 01:30 PM	#38
Phrozin Bosun Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 68 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Have you tried using the Omega drivers yet? Just a thought, in their tweaking they might have fixed a problem they didn't even know existed. http://www.omegadrivers.net/nvidia_winxp.php If drivers don't fix it then I would assume it has to be a backward compatibility issue. as for 8800 working and not a 9600, some 8800's are still PCIe x16, and as far as I know all 9600 GT's are PCIe X16 2.0. I searched but couldn't find any detailed specs on your motherboard, so it may very well be a PCIe X16 1.0a. Maybe Sisoft Sandra can tell you what you need to know? (provided you have onboard video or the old card still.)

08-23-08, 06:10 PM	#42
CoolHand A-ganger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: northwoods Posts: 71 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	1.1a is 2.0 capable. hell i know a few people with 1.0a PCI X16 that have 2.0 cards in them. run that CPU utility that i posted. it doesn't install it just runs as a background program and once you x out of it, it's no longer running. that will tell us what motherboard maker is really in your system. __________________ Lord Coolhand, Commander in Chief of Imperial Expeditionary Forces Evil Empire Grand Pimpmaster CoolHand The Few, The Proud, The Evil Empire ------------------------------------------------ "My father always told me, keep your friends close, BUT keep your enemies even closer." Michael Corleone

08-23-08, 11:03 PM	#43
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	well I'll try updating my chipset and then flash a BIOS update I found for my Acer MB (yep it's an acer stupid OEM) __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

08-23-08, 11:50 PM	#44
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	I flashed my BIOS and it worked For all those who helped thank you very much. This just proves the people here are the very best. Now those Japs better watch out __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

08-24-08, 01:33 AM	#45
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Congrats!!! I wasn't going to say anything as I figured I might be too late anyway but as a computer tech, the thing I always consider a last ditch resort (and the thing I fear to do most) is Phlash a BIOS . That's a throw back to the old days when if the phlash didn't work, you were left with a dead motherboard . Today it's not so bad and BIOS' are usually made with a little more "forgiveness" than they used to be. Very Glad You got 'er Workin'!!! __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.