Fallout 3 details

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Isometric view and action points does not a Fallout make.

That's entirely your opinion. Bethesda own the license, that's all.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

That's entirely your opinion. Bethesda own the license, that's all.

Here's more of my opinion: It's better to have a dev team that'll take some risks with an interface change than to have a bunch of people aping what came before.

If they think the important things about making a new Fallout game are best served by making the game first person, then that's what they should do.

[Wolfehunter]

You all are also forgetting what Bethesda did to Startrek Legacy....

For Vlad,

A: Post apocalyptic setting?
Bastardization of Fallout Series original self.
B: Grim storytelling?
I'm sure is just as exciting as Oblivion was right? Very spooky..:rotfl: Also it has no relations to the original story line from FO and FO2.
C: Consequences for actions including unforseen ones?
No, You can kill children and more, You can kill all NPCs and reap the consequence. There are too many controls in place that has made FO3 a fraction of the fun FO and FO2 was all about.
D: The trappings of the Fallout world (Super Mutants, Ghouls, BoS)?
Really did you hear about the Feral Ghouls that can shoot nuke blasts from there @$$? :hmm: Ok its exagerated but hey.
E: Etc.
You have no idea what bethesda has done in the years. I will not waste my hard earned money on there crap.


For CaptHawkeye,

Black Isle Studio amd Interplay were companies too, albeit companies too stupid to keep their asses out of debt, but you're kidding yourself if you think their goal wasn't the money in your pocket.

I don't know what happened to them and why they screwed up? Where you there? I agree someone should have kick them in the jewels so they would wake up. But they screwed up? I wasn't there I don't know why?

You know, Bethesda is the very reason that Fallout even exists to this day. You'd figure the fans would be thanking Beth from saving their series from franchise death. But no, the evil Badthesda isn't orthodox enough for the Church of the Fallout Fans

Bethesda could have done it different or just renamed to Fallout ____ something. It would have still sold fine. And the fans would support it mostly. Lol badthesda isn't evil just greedy. They're is more to the story than just FO3. Do your research if you care. If you don't move on.

I'm sure your quality as a human being will come under question for giving into Bethesda's will and buying Fallout 3.
Lol :rotfl: Never. I'm in control. Anyhow I never buy a game when it comes out. I download it first before I buy it. But FO3 totally disgusts me from Beth. It will never be installed in my systems as long as I live. Someone has to set a precedence.

98% of the time i'd agree with you on this. You know what the problem is this time? The game isn't out yet.
I can't wait to see all the suckers spend there cash on a faulty boring game created by the master of Oblivion...

I don't have a problem with the new game Bethesda is creating. I have a problem with the name which has no relationship to FALLOUT 1 & 2 as a SEQUEL nothing more.

You guys can suger coat it any which way you want. But my fight is with bethesda to help those possible gamers who do care about Product values can make a better choice. This way gamers don't waste there hard earned cash.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Here's more of my opinion: It's better to have a dev team that'll take some risks with an interface change than to have a bunch of people aping what came before.

If they think the important things about making a new Fallout game are best served by making the game first person, then that's what they should do.

I rather see a great game die and become a classic than be raped by greed to make a quick profit rather than a quality product.

[CaptHawkeye]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

[color=yellow][color=white]You all are also forgetting what Bethesda did to Startrek Legacy...

Could you possibly make a more vague statement?

Bethesda could have done it different or just renamed to Fallout ____ something. It would have still sold fine. And the fans would support it mostly.

Translation: It's not a proper Fallout sequel because we say so.

Lol badthesda isn't evil just greedy. They're is more to the story than just FO3. Do your research if you care. If you don't move on.

Get this through your head. Black Isle isn't coming back. Your so called proper sequel will never happen. Go outside and see the sun and leave your masturbation fantasies in your wet dreams.

Lol Never. I'm in control. Anyhow I never buy a game when it comes out. I download it first before I buy it. But FO3 totally disgusts me from Beth. It will never be installed in my systems as long as I live. Someone has to set a precedence.

And i'm sure someone will care about this silent protest from a niche group of ancient fanboys. Whoops, no they won't.

I can't wait to see all the suckers spend there cash on a faulty boring game created by the master of Oblivion...

More "it's not Fallout 1 so it's a bad game" nonsense. Be honest, you don't care that Bethesda is developing it, you care that anyone NOT Black Isle is making it. No one other than they can touch the Fallout name. It's like...sacred....or something.

I don't have a problem with the new game Bethesda is creating. I have a problem with the name which has no relationship to FALLOUT 1 & 2 as a SEQUEL nothing more.

And guess what? No one cares what your "definition" of a sequel is. So quit whining.

You guys can suger coat it any which way you want. But my fight is with bethesda to help those possible gamers who do care about Product values can make a better choice. This way gamers don't waste there hard earned cash.

Fight? Oh my yes, your valiant crusade....begins! I think. You'll need a ship and a peg leg though.

The second people start talking about what a "true" sequel is rational conversation has ceased. I'm going to say something here that the Rabid Church of the Fallout Jihadists simply cannot comprehend. Fallout is a PRODUCT, a BRAND. If direct sequels had to live up to "legacy" and what not, Doom 3 would have been a 2D sprite based shooter.

It's not like there's any way we could ever know what Fallout was. We aren't "orthodox" enough for them. You see, it's not just a product, or a box with 'coming soon' written on it! It's a philosophy, a way of life, a cripplingly limited outlook on game development.

So let me reiterate, 1998 was ten years ago.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Ok lads, lets play nice here please. As we all like to say here, at the end of the day this is just a game we are talking about, no need to get to bent out of
shape about it. Let's keep the posts above bar OK.

Thanks


RDP

[CaptHawkeye]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

I rather see a great game die and become a classic than be raped by greed to make a quick profit rather than a quality product.

Yeah, nevermind that Fallout 3 is already looking a lot better than plenty of the other stuff that's hit Fallout before. Like the insulting Fallout Tactics. Bethesda even decided to help out the hardcore wankers by wiping FT out of the canon. But nah, no one remember Bethesda actually showing RESPECT for the name.

[CaptHawkeye]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Ok lads, lets play nice here please. As we all like to say here, at the end of the day this is just a game we are talking about, no need to get to bent out of
shape about it. Let's keep the posts above bar OK.

Thanks


RDP

But don't you see poet? Fallout *isn't* just a game man! It's a PROPHECY. And as long as anyone who isn't Black Isle is making a game with just the mere name "Fallout", it shalt endure the whines of a thousand geeks for all eternity!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Anyhoo.... let's move on shall we


RDP

[GlobalExplorer]

Sorry didn't want to insult anyone. But it's a clash of philosophies. I have no problem with people bying these games which are basically fps with rpg flavor. I know what made the original fallouts so special so you can call me a fanatic if you want. It just shows you don't care for the intentions of the original developers. What is depressing is that companies and media that have no respect for RPGs, consider console adaptations as RPGs and hail them like the second coming of christ. The RPG genre has already died some years ago, when the last companies with inspiration dissappeared (Origin, Looking Glass, BlackIsle, Troika) and everyone else replaced storytelling for graphx.

Besides I don't see why such a thread should turn into everyone raving about every new game. Isn't it enough that the media has stopped cultivating subjective taste?

I have no problem with rps that dont slavishly follow tradition. It's just these new games are rubbish compared with the imaginative storytelling and gameplay of Fallout, JA2 etc. Thats why I posted the link to irontowerstudios. After all the vision is maybe not so dead as it seems, just dont expect anything from the $ companies. I dont play games to support capitalism, I want to be inspired and entertained by the work of artists.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

But it's a clash of philosophies. I have no problem with people bying these games which are basically fps with rpg flavor.

You can have two games with the exact same interface style and still have two completely different kinds of games. Look at the original Fallout; combat is handled similarly to another classic game, X-COM, and yet you'd never really mistake X-COM for an RPG or Fallout for a strategic management/tactical shooter. They used a similar setup to accomplish dissimilar ends.

It's the same with modern RPGs. Right now, the first-person view is the overriding trend, and there are good reasons for that. There are, after all, few better ways to put you in the game, and thus, one step closer to that magical 'total immersion' ideal.

You seem to prefer more old-school RPG trappings, and while there are some utterly awesome games that use the Fallout-style interface, the lack of that kind of interface doesn't disqualify them from being called an 'RPG', especially when the choice of viewpoint might very well be to put you more 'in the role'.

I know what made the original fallouts so special so you can call me a fanatic if you want.

So what made Fallout special to you? You haven't yet elaborated on that.

The RPG genre has already died some years ago, when the last companies with inspiration dissappeared (Origin, Looking Glass, BlackIsle, Troika) and everyone else replaced storytelling for graphx.

Mass Effect has no storytelling involved? That's one of the most compelling games I've played in years, and I doubt the objectivity of anyone who doesn't see a great deal of depth to the story, the world, the characters, even if they don't like the game.

The same can be said about earlier Bioware games. Jade Empire had it's flaws, but you can't call it bad storytelling. KoTOR was better than any of the newer Star Wars movies.

Thats why I posted the link to irontowerstudios. After all the vision is maybe not so dead as it seems.

That game does look interesting. I'd play it. But if it's a good game, I'd stake a decent amount of $$$ on the idea that, assuming decent execution, it'd be just as 'artistically satisfying' if it used a first-person view.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

You can have two games with the exact same interface style and still have two completely different kinds of games. Look at the original Fallout; combat is handled similarly to another classic game, X-COM, and yet you'd never really mistake X-COM for an RPG or Fallout for a strategic management/tactical shooter. They used a similar setup to accomplish dissimilar ends.

I think it's a bit cheap to call a game RPG just because it has stats or has medieval / magic elements in it. And that's the trend. People are about to forget what RPG means after all.

You seem to prefer more old-school RPG trappings, and while there are some utterly awesome games that use the Fallout-style interface, the lack of that kind of interface doesn't disqualify them from being called an 'RPG', especially when the choice of viewpoint might very well be to put you more 'in the role'.

Maybe my problem with is that the "next gen" rpgs have a lot of cliche and hardly any roleplaying. Or do you consider Oblivion rpg system / storywriting felicitous in any respect?

Besides I did enjoy Morrowind in spite of it's shortcomings. Compared with MW it was the console UI in Oblivion that pissed me off more than anything else.

So what made Fallout special to you? You haven't yet elaborated on that.

No, I have

Let me just reiterate that the character system and turn based combat in fallout was simply amazing. It was one of those game where it suddenly made click - hey that is brilliant - ! And besides, the storywriters were extremely gifted, something that I would never say about the dudes at bethesda.

That game does look interesting. I'd play it. But if it's a good game, I'd stake a decent amount of $$$ on the idea that, assuming decent execution, it'd be just as 'artistically satisfying' if it used a first-person view.

Agreed. There have been great 1st person rpgs far back as I can remember (Ultima Underworld). And except combat Fallout was real time btw.

[GlobalExplorer]

Ah the memories. It just occured to me that it had already a better interface than Oblivion (you could drag items fine and not move up and down in a listbox). So much for 15 years of progress.

[GlobalExplorer]

Some more comparison shots, then and now ..

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by CaptHawkeye

Get this through your head. Black Isle isn't coming back. Your so called proper sequel will never happen. Go outside and see the sun and leave your masturbation fantasies in your wet dreams.

HAAHAHAAAHA:rotfl: Good one Hawkeye your a funny guy. I have a wife who handles the equipment. lol...

I know Black Isles & Interplay is dead.. So is Fallout a great classic game. Anyhow I'll move on to a more enjoyable game when I find one worth my time and money. Problem is fewer games today meet my standards of quality entertainment in my book. I'll stick to my leisure suit larry, Ultima, Space Quest, Original Fallouts and all the best classic games including Silent hunter III hehehe. I'm not too concerned about the best graphics or sound effects its only a bonus. I like quality. Something like this comes to mind. http://www.gog.com/en/intro

Happy hunting all