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PeriscopeDepth · 06-20-08, 01:13 PM

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Who ya gonna believe? The speculators on history? Or words taken from the horses mouth as to why the Japanese should now invade? The thought was abbandoned on Yamamoto's recomendation. He also pushed for not attacking Pearl Harbour, but lost that battle.

At least I presented something. Why not give me backup of your opinions with Japanese history taken from the Japanese at the time? Opinions are pretty much worthless here it seems. And common I might add. Link me to hisotric speeches done by the Japanese during WWII!!! I see 'none'.

-S

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AMH/AMH/AMH-23.html

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Japan entered World War II with limited aims and with the intention of fighting a limited war.

They never planned to invade the United States during WWII. They never intended to fight a prolonged battle, as they knew they couldn't win such a fight. They intended to knock the American fleet out, grab what resources they could in SE Asia, and negotiate a peace on favorable terms.

By the way, I highly reccomend "Sea of Thunder: Four Commanders and the Last Great Naval campaign 1941-1945" by Evan Thomas. Very readable, shows the campaign from both sides using personal documents from several commanders.

PD

August · 06-20-08, 02:09 PM

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They planned to stab the American fleet in the eye and sue for peace on terms that favored them. When that didn't work out, they hoped to fight a prolonged defensive action that they hoped the American populace would tire of eventually.

PD

Pearl wasn't the only US military asset invaded in Dec '41. What about Wake island and the Philippines?

Platapus · 06-20-08, 02:26 PM

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They planned to stab the American fleet in the eye and sue for peace on terms that favored them. When that didn't work out, they hoped to fight a prolonged defensive action that they hoped the American populace would tire of eventually.

PD

Pearl wasn't the only US military asset invaded in Dec '41. What about Wake island and the Philippines?

yeah everyone forgets the other targets on 7 Dec

PeriscopeDepth · 06-20-08, 02:27 PM

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They planned to stab the American fleet in the eye and sue for peace on terms that favored them. When that didn't work out, they hoped to fight a prolonged defensive action that they hoped the American populace would tire of eventually.

PD

Pearl wasn't the only US military asset invaded in Dec '41. What about Wake island and the Philippines?

True, they certainly got hit too. And the Brits in Singapore.

PD

Lurchi · 06-20-08, 02:52 PM

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Besides I might ask you the same question, where is the evidence that Japan seriously planned and intended to invade the US? Where are the plans?

He won't deliver because there weren't any. Invasion was impossible and the japanese knew it right from the start. They never even tried to seize Hawaii which would have been necessary before one could even think about this next step.

The japanese navy was against the whole war anyway and the army favoured the drive south and used all available resources to it which were already limited. I don't think that the japanese were so much impressed by a few rifles and some handguns ...

August · 06-20-08, 04:04 PM

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a few rifles and some handguns ...

Yeah keep thinking that...

JgzMan · 06-21-08, 06:27 AM

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Certainly in planning that would be a consideration, but a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols etc would not have been much of a match for a trained and disciplined army.

While I have no data concerning the intentions of Imperal Japan, I find this sentence rather suspect. While I'm sure the technology had moved on a bit, that sounds like somthing a British general might say in 1776 or so.

mrbeast · 06-21-08, 10:54 AM

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Certainly in planning that would be a consideration, but a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols etc would not have been much of a match for a trained and disciplined army.

While I have no data concerning the intentions of Imperal Japan, I find this sentence rather suspect. While I'm sure the technology had moved on a bit, that sounds like somthing a British general might say in 1776 or so.

Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

August · 06-21-08, 11:22 AM

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Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

They still celebrate Evacuation Day in Boston...

mrbeast · 06-21-08, 05:46 PM

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Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

They still celebrate Evacuation Day in Boston...

Ok, we won the battles but lost the war!

So I guess we'll call it evens! :hmm:

Platapus · 06-21-08, 05:55 PM

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Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

in studying the battles, one could say that Washington retreated faster than the British could advance and maintain logistics

FIREWALL · 06-21-08, 09:09 PM

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Certainly in planning that would be a consideration, but a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols etc would not have been much of a match for a trained and disciplined army.

While I have no data concerning the intentions of Imperal Japan, I find this sentence rather suspect. While I'm sure the technology had moved on a bit, that sounds like somthing a British general might say in 1776 or so.

Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

"That General" Lost the most important Battle.

THE FINAL ONE. :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

To a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols.

mrbeast · 06-22-08, 06:21 AM

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Certainly in planning that would be a consideration, but a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols etc would not have been much of a match for a trained and disciplined army.

While I have no data concerning the intentions of Imperal Japan, I find this sentence rather suspect. While I'm sure the technology had moved on a bit, that sounds like somthing a British general might say in 1776 or so.

Well considering that the British Army won most of the battles in the War of Independance, I'd day that that 'British General' would be reasonably vinicated by his assesment.

"That General" Lost the most important Battle.

THE FINAL ONE. :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

To a motly crew of civilians toting an assortment of hunting rifles, pistols.

Have you ever heard of the Continental Army?

Platapus · 06-22-08, 07:12 AM

And did the "americian" forces defeat the British, or did the British government just decide that the war was too expensive and not worth it?

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	And did the "americian" forces defeat the British, or did the British government just decide that the war was too expensive and not worth it? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.