Gun battle in London Square

[SUBMAN1]

Developing story - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

But wait, I thought there were no guns in London? Oh - I forgot! Only law abiding citizens have no guns in London and are at the mercy of the criminals with guns! :p Somehow, someone here will try and twist this into something resembling Americas influence and gun laws are affecting the UK, and that is the reason this is happening in the first place. I just know it!

-S

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Developing story - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

But wait, I thought there were no guns in London? Oh - I forgot! Only law abiding citizens have no guns in London and are at the mercy of the criminals with guns! :p Somehow, someone here will try and twist this into something resembling Americas influence and gun laws are affecting the UK, and that is the reason this is happening in the first place. I just know it!

-S

This is hardly an everyday event Subman, even you must concede that.

How many more events like this would we see if firearms were widespread throughout society?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

This is hardly an everyday event Subman, even you must concede that.

How many more events like this would we see if firearms were widespread throughout society?

With 4,019 of them a year over there, I beg to differ! That is more than 11 each day!

-S

PS. I forgot to add - the answer to your second question is about half of the 4,019. Since guns were taken away, it has doubled!

[Happy Times]

I consider people that are ok with these kind of laws as modern day serfs.
There always has to be balance with interests of the individual and that of the community/state. In this case the balance is that people should have the right to own guns if they register them, store them in a safe way and arent criminals.
It works here fine.

[Letum]

You can own a gun in the UK!


You just have to prove you have a legitimate use for it and don't just want it as a toy.

"Shooting people" is not a legitimate use. What ever they have done to you.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

You can own a gun in the UK!


You just have to prove you have a legitimate use for it and don't just want it as a toy.

"Shooting people" is not a legitimate use. What ever they have done to you.

Now that is hallarious! Did you not read the article? :rotfl:

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

If they allow guns in UK, football supporters will soon be history just like dinosaurs

Actually, the UK'rs have always been remarkably careful with their weaponry. When everyone was armed over there, they never shot anyone, they had way less gun violence than they do now, and it was what should have been considered a model for the world. What happened?

You guys at soccer (the correct name for it :p) games however are a bit rowdy, but that usually ends with a couple of punches, followed by a trip to the tavern and a fist full of beer.

-S

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Actually, the UK'rs have always been remarkably careful with their weaponry. When everyone was armed over there, they never shot anyone, they had way less gun violence than they do now, and it was what should have been considered a model for the world. What happened?

You guys at soccer (the correct name for it :p) games however are a bit rowdy, but that usually ends with a couple of punches, followed by a trip to the tavern and a fist full of beer.

-S

Subman I'm not sure I'm familiar with this mythical period in British History when everyone was toting guns.

[jumpy]

^^
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle2409817.ece

We are so self-congratulatory about our officially disarmed society, and so dismissive of colonial rednecks, that we have forgotten that within living memory British citizens could buy any gun – rifle, pistol, or machinegun – without any licence. When Dr Watson walked the streets of London with a revolver in his pocket, he was a perfectly ordinary Victorian or Edwardian. Charlotte Brontë recalled that her curate father fastened his watch and pocketed his pistol every morning when he got dressed; Beatrix Potter remarked on a Yorkshire country hotel where only one of the eight or nine guests was not carrying a revolver; in 1909, policemen in Tottenham borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by (and were joined by other armed citizens) when they set off in pursuit of two anarchists unwise enough to attempt an armed robbery. We now are shocked that so many ordinary people should have been carrying guns in the street; the Edwardians were shocked rather by the idea of an armed robbery.
If armed crime in London in the years before the First World War amounted to less than 2 per cent of that we suffer today, it was not simply because society then was more stable. Edwardian Britain was rocked by a series of massive strikes in which lives were lost and troops deployed, and suffragette incendiaries, anarchist bombers, Fenians, and the spectre of a revolutionary general strike made Britain then arguably a much more turbulent place than it is today. In that unstable society the impact of the widespread carrying of arms was not inflammatory, it was deterrent of violence.
As late as 1951, self-defence was the justification of three quarters of all applications for pistol licences. And in the years 1946-51 armed robbery, the most significant measure of gun crime, ran at less than two dozen incidents a year in London; today, in our disarmed society, we suffer as many every week.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Not again

Man! Can't you have any fun? Party pooper.

-S

[nikimcbee]

@ subman1
Years ago, when the olympics were We in Japan, I was able to call in the local sports show and ask them how they were going to do the biathlon, since guns are illegal in Japan. We all got a big laugh out of it. We joked about the potential bank robberies that could be committed by the skiers on their skies.:rotfl:

[jumpy]

http://www.people.co.uk/news/news/tm...name_page.html

http://www.channel4.com/sport/micros...lshooting.html

Good job we stopped those olympic medalists before they became ticking timebombs then eh?

more comments here: http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277468

I like this one in particular:

Now don't be naive Carl, everyone knows that allowing a few professional sportsmen access to a handful of pistols to train in secure facilities is going to turn Britain into the wild west.

Do you know, I feel for the victims, and families of the victims of gun crime, as I feel for any parent who has lost a child, no matter how, but when are these ficking udiot campaigners going to stop using a terrible tragedy that came about due to the failings of the people who issued a man with known psychological problems with a firearms certificate as the banner for their flawed reasoning, and wake up to the fact that the handgun ban hasn't reduced gun crime in this country by one iota.

People who will behave or use things in an unlawful manner don't care whether something is made illegal. That's why they are called criminals. Criminals will always have access to guns.

I really wish someone would produce an easy to understand pop up picture book so that these bleating empty headed anti-everything morons will absorb that fact into their tiny, dung filled, goldfish like brains.

[SUBMAN1]

You missed this part:

...The ban on hand guns came in 1997 in the wake of the crazed shootings at Hungerford and Dunblane but, despite an amendment being tabled, no exemption was made for sports shooters. Ironically, gun crime has almost doubled since the 1996 Dunblane massacre, from 2,636 cases to 4,019. Only this week a member of the garage band So Solid Crew pleaded guilty to having a loaded pistol in his car....

I do like your quote! It about sums up this nonsense perfectly!

-S

[jumpy]

hopefully this will work:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yczjxd2zlbs

when it says 'click here to download' right click and save as.

It's a pdf critique of a 2006 study from the homeoffice into gun crime. An interesting read.